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boatbum
New member
Username: boatbum
Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 03:03 am: | 
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Hi all,
If you follow the attached link it will take you to some videos of my 1929, 6 cylinder, 140hp, direct reversing engine running on my myspace page. Just click videos under my picture or click on the video displayed on the page. They were all taken over the 4th of July 2007 and they all have sound.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=942499 15
Enjoy,
Keith |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 172
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 03:30 am: |
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Very interesting. A few questions:
1. How does Hayley look in coveralls?
2. Is it really that loud in the engine room?
3. Is that a cat or a dog making those yelping sounds?
4. Did I hear someone say 350rpm is the max.?
5. How's your fuel consumption?
Humour aside, that's a nice thing to be the caretaker of. If it were mine, I'd put a centrifugal oil cleaner on it and get the 80 odd years of soot, grit and dirt out of it.
Welcome aboard by the way! |
boatbum
New member
Username: boatbum
Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 03:06 am: |
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I haven't noticed it that loud in the engine room, but then again it's subjective. Compared to a modern engine going 1800 rpm that's quiet!! Remember when an engine is enclosed in a steel box sound reverberates, unlike static display engines.
The engine is speed governed to 325rpm max. Fuel consumption with the 90 ton load (the boat) is only 4 gallons an hour @ 9 knots!!
I would love to have a centrifugal oil cleaner. Do you have one you can donate to the cause? Originally she had one, but it was removed many years ago, by another owner.
I actually posted here some years ago. If you scroll down this catagory and look for 1929, 6 cyl, 140hp Atlas Imperial you'll find it and some pictures of the engine. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 174
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:11 am: |
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Points taken.
I wish someone would donate a centrifuge to me actually! I'm sure with some digging you could locate one, the Navy used thousands of them, but most were too large for what you are doing. Mann-Hummel makes various sizes and Sharples and Alpha-Laval were two more current makers, though Sharples is now gone.
What is your sump capacity? Most of the modern ones seem to be driven with oil pressure, but you would want one with a mechanical drive probably.
A good thing to use for your fuel too, that or a few toilet paper/paper towel filters. Cheapest filter elements made and nothing cleans better - except maybe a centrifuge!
First step might be to try and find out what that previous owner did with the original. |
boatbum
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Username: boatbum
Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 09:11 pm: |
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The engine holds 25-30 gallons of oil. Unfortuneatly the previous owner I refered to has passed on and it was 40 years ago that the cenrifuge was removed.
Already contemplated the toilet/paper towel filters. If I can't find a reasonably priced centrifuge then I'll use one of those. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 175
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:35 pm: |
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If it was me, I'd ask his widow, children, whatever...
I see there are several Indian companies making what look like clones of various centrifugal cleaners made in the West. You might want to try them, if you don't like the prices otherwise.
At least the engine was well protected for the first 35 years. |
boatbum
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Username: boatbum
Post Number: 4
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 05:19 pm: |
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Good Idea, but not really an option of contacting the family or widow. Sooooo I get to look elsewhere. Do you have any info on the Indian cenrifuges?
She hasn't had very many hours placed on her in the last 40 years, being a private yacht. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 176
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 03:19 am: |
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A quick google search pulled up a bunch of links for me...
Your difficulty may be finding one that is electrically/mechanically driven. |
adrian_lipp
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Username: adrian_lipp
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 01:57 am: |
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Sounds good, run it more often, but soot in the oil is the last of your worrys. I know you know what I mean ( cooling ) |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 177
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 02:15 pm: |
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Yeh, worry about that Manzel lubricator and whether it's doing it's job properly. |
boatbum
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Username: boatbum
Post Number: 5
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 04:07 pm: |
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The lubriacator is working well, so no problems there. Adrian is refering to converting the engine from raw water cooling to fresh water cooling, another project I'm working on. Never a shortage of those on a boat!! |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 178
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2007 - 05:43 pm: |
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Things work until they don't; the trick is getting to them before they don't. The Manzel failing will do a lot of damage fast, the cooling water is something that happens slowly, that was what I meant. Fortunately parts as still available for the Manzels. In your place I would try to find a spare and have it rebuilt in anticipation. |
searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 537
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 10:30 pm: |
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I have a Manzel Class XO mechanical oiler in need of restoration. This is the first one of these mechanical oilers I have ever owned so I know nothing about them. Does anyone have the 'owners manual' for a Manzel of the 1920's era that shows the parts diagram, maintenance, use, etc., that would be willing to scan and email me a copy or snail mail me a copy? Thanks. |
t_d_harris
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Username: t_d_harris
Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 05:52 am: |
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does any one know ref 1971 volvo penta md1b 10hp with dyno start although i have good battry the dynostart motor doesnt seem to turn over very fast resulting in non starting,? help please. terry, cornwall, is there anyone cornwall who has one i could just try to see if cures prob. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 491
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 04:27 pm: |
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Searcher, what would you like to know about the Manzels? I have a brass bodied XC I am restoring. I can send you some photos of the guts of it, if that would help. They are not that complex, but a major problem is the accumulation of moisture in the bottom of the case under the oil, causing rust to the individual pumps, or parts of them. Fortunately they are usually pretty oily(!) inside so the pumps are not hard to take apart and clean. The other issue is wear to the shaft and bushings which are not self-lubricating and which users apparently often forgot to oil. I am looking for another brass bodied Manzel of 4 or 6 feeds if anyone has one to spare?
Strangely there seems to be very little literature on the Manzels available, in particular service and operating instructions. |
searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 540
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 02:20 pm: |
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Robert,
I apologize for not responding sooner. Ideally, I would have the manufacturer's parts diagram before I dismantled a device like this I am not familiar with. My eyesight, depth perception, and dexterity are not what they used to be so small parts, springs, screws, etc., are getting to be a challenge for me these days.
Hopefully, one of us will find parts diagrams, service, and operating instructions for the X series Manzels and can share them here.
Thanks. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 496
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 03:46 pm: |
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Searcher,
I've got some literature on them myself I've meant to scan, but haven't. I must look that out and do it over the next week or two. Some info on the Model 25's here: http://www.graco.com/content/dam/graco/led/literature/flyers/l51010/L51010EN-A.pdf |
searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 541
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 05:13 pm: |
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That would be great. Thanks. |
