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Michael OMalley
New member
Username: mike_o
Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2015
| | Posted on Friday, May 08, 2015 - 07:29 pm: | 
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i, I have just bought a large collection of engines and am in the process of bringing them all home. In the collection is a couple of marine engines. This one seems to be complete but no tag. Any info would be helpful. I don't collect marine engines and will be offering this for sale but need to understand what I have 1st.
As you can see in 1 picture there is something stenciled in paint but I cannot read it. Looks like it ends in IT ? CUS. Maybe that is helpful. Thanks in advance for any info.   |
Michael OMalley
New member
Username: mike_o
Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2015
| | Posted on Friday, May 08, 2015 - 07:33 pm: |
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Sorry about the size of the pictures, This is my 1st post on this site, Here are a couple more pictures I have made them smaller |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3572
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 08, 2015 - 08:59 pm: |
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Mikes Engine photos
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2059
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 08, 2015 - 09:12 pm: |
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Mike,
Bring it down and we will figure out what it is and make it run
Ernie |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2061
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2015 - 08:37 pm: |
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Looks familiar maybe Hubbard ish... by profile
However I am not really comfortable with this ID.
Richard who was the manufacturer in Saugus, MA?
I know I have seen one really similar to Mike's engine.
Cuno timer if original makes it a later engine.
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Tom Hardy
Advanced Member
Username: tom
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 06:22 am: |
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There was one quite similar, for sale, in Newfoundland, a couple of weeks ago. There was no phone number and e-mail wasn't answered. I checked and the ad is now gone. There was no ID for the engine. |
Michael OMalley
New member
Username: mike_o
Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 06:40 am: |
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Thanks so far for the information this is NOT the one in newfoundland I will assure you of that the tag looks like it would be perfect of the hubbard as my engine has 1 screw in the same place as that engine. I got a 3rd marine engine up there yesterday with no tag and no identification so now I have 3 |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3573
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 09:51 am: |
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Ernie
Nelson Brothers East Saugus,Ma
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/1/260718.html#POST42674
I identified this engine several days ago on Harry's web site, interesting that it wasn't mentioned when posted here, looking for a second unbiased opinion I guess ?
I have one of these engines and several others on here as well so I'll post a bit of lineage of the Company !
The very early engines 1903-04 Looked like this, 4 hole flywheel with out company name casted, removable head, pipe fitting in crankcase for generator valve.
By 1905 engine were basically the same the flywheels had company name casted on face, some had brass timer and lever assembly on output shaft end, some were foreward behind flywheel.
Headless engines by 1907, with these castings we see the familiar three bolt triangular two port intake valve, same 4 hole named flywheels, new style water pumps.
1910 we see the engine in question,
when compared to the 1907-09 its the same the only difference is the flywheel without the company name and a rotary timer ??
Without a long explanation, Pierce engine co. and others such as Truscott were in financial difficulties in 1909 and as an attempt to get financing formed a conglomerate the "National Boat and Engine Company" pierce was no longer the name legally although the engines were the same so they stopped casting the name into their flywheels ? By 1912 this organization became Racine-Truscott-Shell Lake Boat Manufacturing Company That closed in 1915.
The history after 1910-11 I have not fully researched, it included several boat manufacturers
and lots of legal gyrations, will save that for another day.
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Michael OMalley
Member
Username: mike_o
Post Number: 4
Registered: 05-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 10:09 am: |
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Very interesting. Well after reading on Harrys I went to look up the company and all I could find was flat top removable heads and said to myself. That not it and was turned on to this site and asked the same question now I can see with no question that we have it identified. Thanks |
J.B. Castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1057
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2015 - 06:06 pm: |
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Richard, Jim Fehl is restoring a Pierce, removable head, he noticed that there were two differnt cylinders, on one the air heater ports are outboard, even with the outside of the cylinder casting, the other style the ports are closer together, you can see the two in the pictures above,the green motor is close, the ad is wider. Any idea if the difference determines an early and a late engine? |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3574
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 11, 2015 - 10:53 am: |
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J.B.
From the information I have it appears that the narrow heater ports are the older engines !
Early Pierce Engine company info with any photos (1903 or earlier) I haven't as yet been able to find.
Sketchy info is Pierce started making marine engines in 1893 this first era seems to have run through to 1903 ?
I believe This engine to be an example with the narrow ports ?
1904 is when there was some legal aspects of the company not yet fully understood, but it may have been a separation of the automobile and marine engine Company to two separate companies ??
The 1905 ad above is the oldest Pierce engine company marine engine ad I can find, its July 1905, these were the engines made 1904 to 1909, these have the wider heater ports, and the name cast into the newer style flywheels. Don't ask why this engine has a solid flywheel when all the others I have seen have the familiar 4 large holes- a factory option I guess ?
I've seen reference to a book on the marine history of Racine/Pierce and will look into that, It may reveal some info to fill in some of the unkowns here.
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RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3576
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 11, 2015 - 04:26 pm: |
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For those who may be interested
http://www.yourbook.com/BookInfo/IP40959-11.asp |
J.B. Castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1060
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 11, 2015 - 08:25 pm: |
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Thanks for the input Richard, Jim will be glad to see it. |
B. Goss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 228
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2015 - 01:17 pm: |
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Just a note regarding the gray engine above so that history doesn't write itself. The 'flywheel' shown is just a wooden wheel/pattern that came with the engine (seems a little small for this engine). That Pierce now has a cast flywheel with raised letters and 4 holes as shown in the 1905 ad (thanks to some fine southern gentlemen). |
