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terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 02:32 pm: | 
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Hello,
I am a retired machinist located in the N.W. USA. After spending many hours lurking on your sight it is time to say hi and thanks. Your sight is great. The amount and quality of info shared here is staggering.
A friend and myself have decided to work on 4 old 2 strokes that have been under a bench in his family boat house since they were pulled out of service. I would like to discuss these 1 at a time.
The first and smallest by far is a single that weighs about 30 lbs. It is the only 1 that is disassembled. The head and piston are there but the rod is missing. The crank case has not been disassembled and the crank turns reluctantly. We do not have any family history (word of mouth) on this engine like we do on the others and it is a complete mystery as to make, use and age.
Our question is, who manufactured this engine? All info/clues are eagerly anticipated and welcome.
Pictures to follow.
Thanks, T R |
Roger DiRuscio
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Username: solarrog
Post Number: 279
Registered: 03-2002
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Can you take some pictures for us to look at
I tried my magic globe, but the image was fuzzy.
you may need to resize your photos, Here is the link to that area.
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/resize/resize.html
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terry richards
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Registered: 12-2007
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terry richards
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terry richards
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terry richards
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Roger DiRuscio
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Username: solarrog
Post Number: 280
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 03:11 pm: |
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This is one I have not seen yet, I guess I will wait for some of the other guys to respond
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terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2007
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John Davis
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 136
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 04:17 pm: |
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Wow! That is a small engine. I think it is the smallest inboard I have ever seen other then a model engine. I don't know what make it is. |
Roger DiRuscio
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Username: solarrog
Post Number: 281
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 04:30 pm: |
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so small it could be a canoe motor Or maybe a school shop motor |
terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 05:22 pm: |
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Thanks for the input.
It is small for sure, it is 1 I would not mind transporting to a show. I could use my car and unloading and loading would not be a problem or cause me pain for weeks afterwards.
When I first saw it many years ago, my first thoughts were it was a salesman's sample. Like a working miniature of a full size product that could be taken to shows or to an individual store or customer, and still be transported in hand luggage by 1 person... In that train of thought, 'if' it were a full size (5 hp ?) what engine would it be?
Lately I've been thinking it is a conoe motor because I just picked up a Evinrude row boat motor and realized that a engine this size could have a use in the real world. Maybe a dingy or a small yacht tender.
T R |
John Davis
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 137
Registered: 03-2006
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Terry,
I got so interested in looking at your engine that I forgot to welcome you to the website. I also am a machinist and CNC programmer. I don't get to run manual machines to much at work anymore just at home. I wished I was retired like you but I got about 12 more years to go. Glad to have you on the forum I'm sure you will find it a very interesting place to visit.
Regards
John Davis
P.S...I seen one of the other engines setting in the back ground I believe? 5hp Simplex 1904? |
terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:57 pm: |
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Thanks for the welcome John.
Yes, the sign on the other engine says Simplex on the sign and a brass tag, however we have not seen any other Simplex remotely close to this one. My friends father, (gone for quite some time) placed signs on all of these engines except the little red one. His (my friends) grandfather is the person that used these engines.
Here are some pics of the simplex.
T R |
terry richards
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terry richards
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terry richards
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RichardDurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1586
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 12:03 pm: |
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Terry
Thanks for posting photos of this rare marine engine , could you post a readble one of the brass tag or just post what it says ? my data lists three North American Companies that had used the trade name Simplex. I may have some info on yours--
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terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 12
Registered: 12-2007
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Hi Richard, thanks for your efforts.
I am having trouble with the pic. It is a very basic tag, a piece of bar stock that is stamped .
S I M P L E X
M O T O R
c.x.folsom 5 HP
I will get the pic up this evening, I have to run for now.
T R |
terry richards
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RichardDurgee
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Post Number: 1587
Registered: 11-2001
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Terry - Thanks for post
very rare for an engine tag not to have the city / state on it, If I can get the right information on this engine I'll post it here !
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terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2007
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Thanks Richard,
Good point about no city / state on the tag. I will get a fine tooth comb and hit the local library and regional magazines again.
T R |
terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 22
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 05:49 pm: |
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Up date.
The little red motor has a bore of 2.5" and a stroke of 2.0". I have found a motor of this size in a listing of in a 1911 magazine. It is listed as a
'Trebert Gas Engine Co. of Terre Haute Ind.'
Model Conoe #1
1hp 100 to 2250 rpm 2 cycle 1 cylinder 2.5 x 2.0
The only other motor that is close is the Evinrude row boat motor at 2.5 x 2.5
Still looking for clues on this one. I am not totally convinced that this motor is a Trebert but the over square bore / stroke is not common nor is the size of the engine.
The tan motor 'Simplex' 5 hp C.X.Folsom. It turns out that Mr. Folsom was the head machinist at a local business and also had an interest in boats. He is listed as an officer in the local boat club and is mentioned in several magazines. One mention is given as follows. "C.X.Folsom, owner of the speed boat 'Marie', which at present has a 2 cylinder engine built by Mr. Folsom, is adding 2 more cylinders to his engine. The 'Marie' was one of the fastest boats, on the lake, last year and with her increased horsepower, unless something new shows up will be the fastest boat on the lake."
Something else did show up and it is believed by me that the extra 2 cylinders were never added and the original 2 cylinder is the one in the picture.
The ferro, as to the 'year' all adds I have found show 1912 as having a closed reversing gear, and a different (schebler) carb and intake manifold. I am thinking it is a 1910 but all of the 1910 adds have pictures of the other side of the engine.
The last engine (pics to follow) is labeled and was believed to be a 'Kent-Marvin'. They were a local shop that did boat repair and engine work and they also had an interest in fast boats. There boat 'Nahua' was the fastest boat on the lake. There company is mentioned in the book 'Oregon Wolf'. They bought the 'Red Top III' (the Mississippi valley champion)after it was damaged at the meet at Astoria. They rebuilt the boat and motor and renamed it 'Nahua II'. The original 'Nahua' was rebuilt and remained in the ownership of Kent-Marvin but it was driven by C.X.Folsom, who is mentioned above, the following season. I have learned that Kent-Marvin did produce there own engine but it was a heavy duty type that came out about 1911 and named the 'KeMaCo'. There is no reference found of them building a light duty or high speed engine. They were dealers of many types of engines and felt there was a gap in this geographic area that could be filled with there new heavy duty engine.
This all leaves me with know clues as to the origin or make of the last engine. I did find a mention of a 18 HP engine of C.X.Folsom and this may be that engine, as that is about the correct size, but as you will see it is of a different design as compared to his other engine.
Any help, suggestions or corrections or comments are welcome.
TR |
terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 23
Registered: 12-2007
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The paper tag on this engine "Kent-Marvin" has not been confirmed and in fact it is believed by me to be incorrect. I have not ran across an engine that is similar to this one, hopefully somebody else has.  
Thanks
TR |
terry richards
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Username: tr2
Post Number: 24
Registered: 12-2007
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