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David Grosse
New member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 05:39 pm: | 
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I have just acquired my 2nd P60, and would like to get working on them. The first is really rough, but the latest addition looks like it could be a running takeout. I have an operator's manual, but am looking for an illustrated parts manual like you get for Atomic 4's. Thanks. - David |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 911
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 06:39 pm: |
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For details on the basic engine you could get the IHC Cub Lo-Boy tractor manual but unless you are planning to take the engine down for a major rebuild it won't be much help. Palmer simply bolted on all the marine related parts and did nothing to change the basic engine block. Suggest you look in the topics colum for the P-60 AKA M-60 There is a wealth of info regarding the engine there. The Reverse gear is the Paragon OXKB and it was used on a number of marine engine of the size of the P-60 and Atomic four. Just remember the oil in the crankcase is not shared with the reverse gear. |
David Grosse
New member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 04:06 pm: |
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Richard, Thanks for your tips and advice. I know you have a serial number log so I want to volunteer you the number of the better engine. It is 351779-R1, and the Operator's Manual was printed by Thermo Electron Engine Corp. so it may be one of the newer engines. Regard - David |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 914
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 08:43 pm: |
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David, Thanks for the number!!! It opens up a whole new can of worms!!! From the large number of Palmer ser. no. I now have I know they followed the practice from about 1908/9 to the end of production in 1971 the next engine out of final test got the next serial number. It made no difference as to what the next model engine was. Numbers such as 3510951 are 1951, That number happens to be for a single cylinder model BH. The M-60 AKA P-60 came on stream in 1955. That era engine was the tractor block with tractor flywheel and I doubt you have the tractor flywheel. It was soon replaced by a much heavier Palmer supplied flywheel about 3" across the rim with the tractor ring gear attached. I really don't have a clue as to what the significance of your number is. I don't doubt it is correct it just doesn't fit the Palmer ser. no. pattern. It seems to fit the Thermo Electron, Crusader number pattern but I don't have enough of their numbers to render a decision. For example the highest Palmer number I have is P-60 47554-9. In 1965 they switched to a single digit for the year therefor -9 means 1969. I do have a P-60 with 80088-7 for 1967 so you can see it is hard to give any realy positive answers. Thermo Electron took over in 1971 Their numbers I have are 7973173, 44796-74, 80133-74 and 80564-75.
I have one PW-27 engine ser. no. 44885-78 That engine was probably a Palmer made engine which was sold by Thermo Electron in 1978. |
Lawrence T Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 437
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 06:48 am: |
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Richard a number that has R1 at the end is a international harvester number. |
Lawrence T Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 438
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 06:51 am: |
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When you google that number it comes up as a cub cylinder head number. |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 915
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 08:54 am: |
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Wow! Never knew that!! Thanks for the tip Larry. I guess David read the number off the cylinder head not a engine serial number tag. Will be interesting to see what he has to say. |
David Grosse
New member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 11:30 am: |
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Richard & Larry, Thanks so much for the help, and please excuse my mistake. The Operator's Manual had this number entered on the cover as the serial number a long time ago from the looks of it, and when I cleaned off the engine and saw the same number stamped on top of the engine, I thought it confirmed things. Wrong. I am going to look further for the real serial number and use your examples to help find it. - David |
kevin stone
Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 04:43 pm: |
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My original head had that number on it. Dick we made it to Florida this time.'Palmer is doing great. |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 916
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2010 - 12:05 pm: |
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Glad you made it to Florida without problems this time. Stop by Solomons on your way north and give us a shout. We will come over and have a short visit. Regards, Dick and Barbara |
Richard P Loud
New member
Username: shipmate
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 08:24 pm: |
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Good day to all;
I am in need of a exhaust manifold for a P60. any help out there as to where I can get one. |
kevin stone
Advanced Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 31
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 08:11 am: |
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I got an aftermarket one from an farmall parts place. The name escapes me I just did a search online and found several. You will have to drill and tap the hole for the bleeder line. Ours has been going strong for 2 years and seems to be a fine part. |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 256
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 12:28 pm: |
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Kevin, didn't he say exhaust manifold? Sounds like you are talking about a cylinder head. |
kevin stone
Advanced Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 32
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2010 - 01:08 pm: |
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Yes, my bad. I was so excited to help I missed that. Dick Day had one last year. |
Richard P Loud
New member
Username: shipmate
Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2010 - 03:23 pm: |
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good day to all:
I am getting ready to rebuild my P60/HI have parts in hand, but I would like replace the wet exhaust / intake manifold. The one have is showing its age (1962). any ides out there.
also is there any difference between the crank shaft in the Palmar and the HI crank shaft.
thanks
Rick |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 257
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 11:12 am: |
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The Palmer ( marine ) exhaust manifold is peculiar to the P-60 engine and is NOT common to the IH tractor engine or any other marine engine. Failed exhaust manifolds must be repaired or replaced with a serviceable one from a scrapped engine.
The crankshaft also is a P-60 peculiar part as the flywheel is on the opposite end of the engine from the tractor version. To rebuild a P-60, an acceptable existing crankshaft that is within tolerance must be used. |
