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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 926
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 08:45 am: | 
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Gilmore-Cragg Motor Mfg Co.
1911, This is first ad I find of this Co.
By 1912 I Find a Gilmore Ad
1913 MotorBoat Mfg index list has Cragg Motor Mfg Co. and Gilmore Motor Mfg Co. listed separately.
1913 Cragg ad
1913 Gilmore ad has 2 & 4 cycle engs !
Havent found any further ads from either of these mfgrs ?
Anyone ever seen a 4 cycle Gilmore ?? |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 270
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 11:57 am: |
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Richard, the only Gilmore I've seen is my two cylinder, two cycle. You posted a picture of it from your files, taken before I owned it. |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 648
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 01:20 pm: |
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Dick Day has a single |
richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 496
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 06:01 pm: |
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Careful Ernie thats Barbars's engine and she is most protective of it. Unfortunately someone milled a flat on the boss where the crankshaft comes through. They attempted to put a miter gear driven distributor on it. I figured I can easily make a swing arm timer for it. Wish Richard would come up with a more detailed photo of the timer but guess it goes with terratory you really can't get good help any more. Just kidding Richard you do an incredible job turning up photos etc. Barbara's Gilmore Cragg has not been used very much. Has excellent compression and great bounce. One interesting point is the aft grease cup is extened inside the crankcase so the grease actually gets to the shaft bearing. |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 209
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 07:01 pm: |
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Richard
I think I have a Gilmore Cragg. I will have to dig it out and take some pictures.
Later, |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 927
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 07:52 pm: |
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Dick, You know how this old marine engine history
work is ! Hard work, long hours, no benefits, no pay ! Just fascinating and a lot of fun !
This is what wendel has on Gilmore Pg 206.
Keith, Thats Great, looking foreward to photos!
Interested in seeing the name tag, I have to believe that with the base mount below the crankshaft that these old engs were designed quite a few yrs before the 1911 ad above ??
Maybe Scott Peters will read this and see if he has any early Michigan history on Gilmore-Cragg ?? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 930
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 09:20 pm: |
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J.B.
This is the Gilmore file photo I have of your engine, its the later design with the split crankcase, still with intake oilers ? wish I could find a photo ad of this engine to date it!
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Scott Peters
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| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 08:19 am: |
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Hi Guys,
I had the opportunity to check the 1911 Detroit City Directory: p. 1129--George A. Gilmore, mach. [machinist], 352 Green Ave. He was probably our builder, with a shop next to the house. I think Cragg was the financier. There was an Orville B. Cragg who was a lawyer in Detroit 601, 34 Congress W. [Wayne County Savings Bank Building], who resided at 509 3d Ave. Source: 1911 Detroit City Directory, p. 854.
Gilmore Motor Company was also inspected by Michigan factory inspectors on June 21, 1919. At the time they employed 2 males and 1 female. Source: Michigan Department of Labor Annual Report, 1920. p. 250.
Sounds like all of you have a pretty rare engine if the firm remained tiny. I will attempt to do some more digging later today. |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1293
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 11:48 am: |
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I had the following on file. I don't have dates on the catalog cover, just the letter:
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richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 498
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 05:49 pm: |
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A little more light on the timer. I wonder if the knob on the top has a threaded shaft that allows one to lock the timer in any given position once underway. Or another alternative pressing down on it breaks the circuit for quick reverse??? |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 271
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2005 - 11:02 pm: |
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The timer on my Gilmore has a strange feature, you can turn and unlock it and it pops out to extend about an inch. It telescopes in and out, no disconnect for reversing. |
richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 499
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 09:33 pm: |
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Well I guess that explains what we see above. I suppose it was a feature to make it easier to reach. Thanks for the input JB. Any chance of getting a photo of it? Have you brought up to CMM or Mystic. I would like to compare Barbara's and yours. |
thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 335
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 02:44 pm: |
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The engine that was the subject of this thread was at a local show.
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thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 336
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 02:50 pm: |
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More Cragg   |
thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 337
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 02:54 pm: |
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More Cragg  |
thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 338
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 02:55 pm: |
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Last 2 Cragg  |
