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johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 11
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 08:08 am: | 
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Marine engine on Ebay with a oval Detroit tag, Is this a Caille Marine engine? Original carb? Looks like maybe it has a little freeze crack there on the cylinder.
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solarrog
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Username: solarrog
Post Number: 143
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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That mark looks more like a casting mark to me
It does not look like a Caille. More like the Sandow Detroit. If it weren't for the salt water pitting in the flywheel I would say it was a stationary engine because of the level motor mounts. I have a stationary Sandow in my collection
Roger
Fremont, Ca usa |
doug11k
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Username: doug11k
Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:29 pm: |
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Johnny,
The mixer looks like an Essex to me. They had a pretty distictive logo on the side cast into body of an "S" with an "X" super-imposed on top. Maybe the seller can answer your question. |
johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 12
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:57 pm: |
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Thank's for sending the photo's of the Essex mixer, Doug.
What happened to the theory that Detroits have Three holes in the flywheel and Cailles have four?
I guess this theory doesn't allways work?
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 110
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 09:06 pm: |
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Termat & Monihan had the four hole flywheel. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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The Tell-Tale on the above engine is the pressure
greaser on the crankshaft- Only Detroit conglomerate mfgr to use it was Termaat-Monahan, lever timer control was 1906 and earlier.
oval "Detroit" tag I've not seen before?
Termaat-Monahan was in Oshkosh, Wisc ?
I was getting confused looking into all these old Companies, now with more research I'm really confused ! |
johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 13
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 06:42 am: |
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JB,
You are correct Termat & Monihan I don't know why I said Caille. I even typed it incorrect on Harry's engine forum. Oh well...I'm 44 and loosing it already...
John |
searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 99
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 09:49 pm: |
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In the case of the whole Detroit family, I think using the flywheel configuration as a means of identification leads to confusion. This Detroit Engine Works ad came from a 1911 issue of THE BLUE BOOK MAGAZINE. Note the four hole flywheel similar to that of the Termaat and Monahan. My own Detroit Engine Works marine engine has the three large hole/three small hole flywheel configuration but I have also seen a DEW with the three large hole configuration (more typical of the Detroit Auto Car Supply engines) and it seemed to be the original flywheel.
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johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 15
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 09:11 am: |
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I agree with you on using the flywheel configuration as a means of identification leads to confusion. I originally got the information of identifying the engine by the number of holes in the flywheel from this forum but after doing a little research have discovered myself that it just does not work. I also have a few adverts like the one abve that disagree with the number of holes in the flywheel theory for identification.
Thanks for the reply...
John |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 112
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 08:32 pm: |
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If there's one thing that's certain in this hobby it's that nothing is certain. The engines I've seen have held true to this, but I haven't researched it. |
searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 102
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 09:56 pm: |
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Last night I found another Detroit Engine Works ad, this one from 1909. They used the exact same engraving for both the 1909 and 1911 ads. Maybe the earlier Detroits had the four holes in the flywheel and the later ones three? |
johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 16
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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I have posted a few interesting photos from original literature I have. The marine engine with three large holes and three small holes is a DEW engine the photo came from the red DEW operating manual. If you look in the BYB page 103 upper right corner they show a Columbia marine engine with this same hole configuration.
We know that DEW and Termat & Monahan produced engines with four large holes in the flywheel, from the original literature posted.
We also know that DEW and DMC had three large holes in the flywheel from original literature posted.
So as you can see things are really mixed up.
I Don't think you can use the holes in the flywheels theory to identify one particular brand of engine.
Notice the photo of the green DEW engine, It has a shaft and gear timer lever, Unusaul?. The other black and white photo is part of the same ad. Notice this engine has a timer lever and two single oilers rather then the double oiler.
The last photo is also out of the red DEW operating instruction book. What kind of carb is this? Schebler? It doesn't say in the book.
There most have been a lot of different engine configurations produced over the years by DEW,DMC,Columbia,etc...
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doug11k
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Username: doug11k
Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 06:50 am: |
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John, I believe that carb is a Krice. |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 113
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 08:17 am: |
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The carb on the engine is a Krice, the diagram is for a different carb. |
johnny
Member
Username: johnny
Post Number: 17
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 12:24 pm: |
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Doug & JB,
That's exactly what I thought, krice carb on the green engine literature & the black & white literature but what is the sketch of? The sketch is from the red DEW operating booklet. Looks a little like the carb on my old Harley 45 flathead which I believe was made by Schebler. |
johnny
Member
Username: johnny
Post Number: 18
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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No the 45 flathead has a linkert carb not a schebler. |
