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pm_river_rat
New member
Username: pm_river_rat
Post Number: 1
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 08:26 pm: | 
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Single cylinder marine two stroke. 3 1/2"stroke, grease cups on mains, drip oilers on lower end, good comperssion, rod, mains and wrist pin good & tight. Broken water pump rod and missing ignition except for reversing timer. Owner thinks it's a Termaat & Monahan but it looks more to me like a Columbia using C.H. Wendels American Gasoline Engines since 1872 as a basis for comparison. Also any guess as to street valllue in today's market? |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 537
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:10 am: |
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One of the ways to sort of figure out if it is a ??? Detroit, Termatt and Monahan or Columbia is to go by the number of holes in the flywheel. 3 large holes, 4 large holes or 3 large and 3 small holes are the ones I have seen. There may very well be more styles. Also if there is a grease cup in the center of the flywheel. These engines are fairly common and good good runners. They reverse on the "switch" very easily. The missing ignition is only a battery and Model"T" Ford Ignition coil.
As to it's street value we try not to get into putting a value on Old Marine Engines here.
Hope this helps
Ernie |
pm_river_rat
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Username: pm_river_rat
Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:42 am: |
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Ernie, Thanks for the quick reply. The flywheel has 3 large holes and no grease cup on the shaft although it has a sheet metal cover over end with the end of the gib key protruding a bit. Would this then be a Detroit?  |
searcher
Advanced Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 47
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:21 am: |
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This 3 hole flywheel engine, obviously from the Detroit family of engines, is similar to a Detroit Motor Car Supply Co. (DMCSC) marine engine I have. I also have a Detroit Engine Works (DEW) marine engine from the same family of engines (even the casting numbers are the same except a '1' was added to the DMCSC castings). The DEW has the three large/three small holes in the flywheel. I rather smugly thought I could tell one from the other should I ever find one of these engines without a tag. That theory was shot when I saw a DMCSC engine otherwise identical to my own DMCSC that had the 3 large/3 small hole flywheel. That flywheel appeared to be original to the engine rather than a replacement based on the visual clues such as paint/patina/age related effects, etc. Back to the drawing board! |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 539
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:22 am: |
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I have a Detroit that looks identical. Look on the front of the cylinder below the plug that is behind the timer handle for where a tag might have been. Here is a pic of mine. In the pic it is missing the crankshaft end cover. Note the tag location. Yours is like mine with no mufler.
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pm_river_rat
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Username: pm_river_rat
Post Number: 3
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 05:23 pm: |
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Thanks to both of you for the added input. I'm assuming that this is in the 2HP range give or take a HP. Since I'm not yet the official owner I'm not in a position to determine the bore. Probably will as time goes on as I'm going to have to do something with the exhaust eventually. Access to any Detroit literature would also be appreciated. The real problem is I'm primarily a boat builder/canoeist and this engine is telling me it needs an appropriate home!!! There's no end to the trouble a guy can get himself into. |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 540
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 06:08 pm: |
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Don't worry about a muffler. You can use a simple water cooled exhaust. I am sure one of us can find a diagram for you. By the way I might have the water pump piece you need. If you get the engine let me know. Detroit literature....I would like to see some too! |
bruce
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Username: bruce
Post Number: 275
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:47 pm: |
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Sounds like a Motor canoe is in the offing here. |
pm_river_rat
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Username: pm_river_rat
Post Number: 4
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:56 pm: |
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That is one possibility. I'm curious about how heavy the bottom needs to be to withstand the pounding on of these engines could deliver. I've spent the last couple of years trying to get boats under 50# so I can still lift them onto the truck. Ernie, I'll give you a shout if it does end up on my bench. The water pump arm has been brazed several times and the geometry is pretty well out of whack. I could fabricate a new one but it wouldn't be a real quick job. |
searcher
Advanced Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 11:41 pm: |
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Ernie, is your engine tagged Detroit Motor Car Supply Co. or Detroit Engine Works? Or other? |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 541
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 07:15 am: |
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It is Detroit something. I will have to dig it out to see it. I will get a pic when I do. |
