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keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 09:52 pm: | 
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I bought this motor and know nothing about it. I
have tried to find pictures or information and
cannot find anything. If someone would know where I can find something I would be greatfull. Thanks Keith
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 149
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 11:02 pm: |
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Keith
How do you know it is a 1912? What is the serial no?
Keith |
keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 11:20 pm: |
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Just going by what the guy I bought it from said. The ser. # is 301.
Thanks
Keith |
Bill S
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 05:50 am: |
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great looking motor. I have an early 2 cyl Barber to restore, and Paul Gray did a great looking restoration on one a couple of years ago. Your atwater-kent igntion is nice, you will need to find a coil, and the tag telling about the oil mix is great. I have a copy of a catalog, and some pictures of a couple of engines, but I am off to work for 12 hours. |
richardday
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 287
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:39 am: |
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The unique Schebler Model D must have come over on the Mayflower. I would like to see just how this kluge of a mixer/carb was supposed to work!!! It would be great to see a close up of this homegrown unit. |
andrew
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Username: andrew
Post Number: 847
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 10:37 am: |
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Keith,
Use the search link at the top of the page and search for barber. There are a number of previous posts.
That is a wonderful engine... very complete! |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 191
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:12 pm: |
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This is my Barber Brothers Twin. It's pretty similar. You can see what the coil mounts look like (missing on yours)
You will be shocked to learn that my carb is not original....It's what I had available to me all those years ago. It should be a Krice (Far as I can tell from the ads). The carb on your motor is probably just stuck on for effect.
The distributors are a little different (mine is the Barber Bros made-in-house model. I believe yours is a bit later when they were buying that item. NICE ENGINE!! Mine runs great at the shows
but like most unloaded 2 cycles, it's hard to run at a nice slow idle. |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 192
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:13 pm: |
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 193
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:15 pm: |
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 194
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:17 pm: |
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 195
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:18 pm: |
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 196
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 07:19 pm: |
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keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 08:10 pm: |
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richardday
I will try to take a close up of the carb. Someone took the carb apart and I can't tell how it goes back togather.
Keith |
keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 08:11 pm: |
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andrew
Thanks. I look at all the pages and can't really find anything that will help me.
Keith |
keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 08:15 pm: |
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thomas
Thanks. Good looking engine. You said mine might be a later model. Mine says Engine No. 301 and if I read yours right it said 629. Did you have any pictures to go by when you restored yours?
Keith |
richardday
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 289
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 08:57 am: |
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Anyone have a clue when Atwater Kent came on stream? I doubt the Atwater Kent was original on the early Barbers. In the 1920s Barber brought out a very nice 4 stroke not all like the two strokes. Seems to me Atwater Kent ignition is closer to WWI/1920s era. |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 198
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 08:07 pm: |
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Keynee--You got me there. I was confused about which name tag style was older. I looked and my
4 cycle single and my twin; both have the same tag. My single 2 cycle (which has a the original Krice carb, no gear guards and what seems to be another design of Barber bakelite timer, has the
same tag as yours with "L122" factory stamped.
The 4 cycle tag is not stamped with serial # or HP and my twin only has the scratched in numbers you saw. I remember someone saying that the later Barber instructions said to copy the numbers (HP & serial) from the sale papers onto the tag but I assume not every buyer did this.
I only had what advertising images were in the old Motorboating and Rudder magazines I have
to go by but I don't think I killed myself looking for a Krice carb at the time.
Can you take a close-up of the carb/preheater
piping? I would like to see where the carb actually connects.
Thanks
Tom |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 514
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:36 am: |
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This K-2 Atwater-Kent distributor has same patent dates on it that the matching coil box has.
I think this later style distributor was built on the same patents as the older styles. still trying to find more info on these !
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 154
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 07:57 am: |
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Tom
Is your tag aluminum or nickel plated brass? Can't tell from the picture. |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 199
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 09:57 am: |
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The tag in the picture is aluminum. The tag on Keynee's engine and my older single is brass. |
keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 7
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 08:25 pm: |
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Thomas
Here are some pictures, Hope they are the ones
you wanted to see. If not let me know.
Keith |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 515
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 10:59 pm: |
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This is from copy of Barber Catalog that Bruce hall sent me a few yrs back dated 1925. whats interesting is that Barber made their own carbs !
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keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 8
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 11:47 pm: |
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richarddurgee
Are there any pictures of the carb in that
Catalog?
Thanks Keith |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 516
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 06:21 am: |
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Not very good pics their copies of copies and are later engs than yours but the bowl configuration looks very similar!
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 518
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 07:53 am: |
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Keynee,
These are photos of a Barber like yours !
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keynee
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Username: keynee
Post Number: 9
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 09:32 am: |
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richarddurgee
Thanks for the photos. As I look at the right
side of the bowl on mine it's where the gas
inlet is tied to the bowl. On yours it has a
ajusting pin. I have the ajusting pin and
round wheel. Does the gas enter threw the bottom on yours?
Thanks Keith
yours? |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 520
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 11:14 am: |
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Gas enters bottom, upper is adjustable needle valve ! |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 200
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 12:43 pm: |
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It looked to me at first like the carb was just wedged in among the air heater pipes but now I see the small rotary type throttle and needle valve body assembly. (great pictures to help clear it up Richard and Keynee). |
thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 201
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 12:45 pm: |
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Actually I misspoke. It's the throttle and jet assembly |
richardday
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 290
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 05:35 pm: |
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Interesting on the AW patent date. Never thought it was as early as 1904. I don't see how the float valve could work with the fuel inlet on top. What I took to be a Schebler Model D is obviously not correct but it seems to me from what we are seeing the float valve must have assumed fuel inlet from the bottom.. |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 156
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 07:52 pm: |
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The 3 cylinder Barbor I have has the Krise Carb. The serial No. is 101. Keith Billet
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keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 157
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 07:55 pm: |
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The other Barbor is a 2 cylinder. It also has a Krise Carb. It's serial no. is 139L. Keith Billet
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keynee
Member
Username: keynee
Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 10:30 pm: |
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richardday
The fuel inlet does go on the bottom. It was tore apart when I got it. Needed a picture to
go by to put it together. This is the first
marine engine I have ever seen, so all of this is a new experience for me and I'll have a lot of
questions before I get it running.
Keith |
