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chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 195
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2022 - 04:21 pm: | 
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What do you make of this? Supposedly it is intact, but hasn't run in 50 years. Any idea what a reasonable offer would be?
Cheers!
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chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 196
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2022 - 07:15 am: |
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I threw in an offer that was accepted. I got it for the CDN equivalent of $285 US. Apparently there is a shaft, propellor, and a few other bits that go with it. I'll find out this morning.
Cheers! |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 197
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2022 - 04:13 pm: |
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What I have is a near complete engine plus a handful of related parts.
The engine itself has quite an interesting history, which included its share of use and abuse.
The previous owner had it mounted on a flat bottomed boat that was used to salvage logs along the Ottawa River.
Along the line the grease cups got swapped out for grease fittings. I'll change them back at the soonest opportunity. There is some bearing wear as perhaps to be expected.
The timer contact has quite a bit of wear on it as well. There is an easy fix for that but it further illustrates that the engine has seen a lot of use.
When I got it home I put my ear to the water jacket as I rotated the flywheel. I could hear a tiny bit of air hissing past the rings. I pulled the spark plug, brought the piston up to TDC, gave it a shot of oil, then re-installed the plug and tried again. There was lots of compression and no blow by.
I am hoping I'll have the same luck with the main bearings. They too appear to be dry. Hopefully a good shot of grease will help that.
Beyond that, most of what is required is simply a good cleaning and a bit of tinkering.
I'll swap out the existing ignition system for a Miro 2000.
And with that it should be ready to go. Famous last words.
Cheers!
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chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 198
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2022 - 04:38 pm: |
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Today I pulled off the grease tubes, cleaned and re-installed them. Then I gave them a blast of grease. The bearing wear is hardly noticeable now. My guess is the grease will give the crankcase and adequate seal.
If the bearings had wear, it would follow that the con rod big end would likewise have wear. I proved that this morning once I had the bearings greased. Moving the flywheel back and forth while listening closely made it possible to hear a slight clunk. That'd be the con rod.
At this point I'm not too concerned about it. Nothing hinges on it. I'll see how effective the Adams repairs were before considering next steps with the Kingfisher. I know what the required repair is. I just need to decide whether it is worth doing, or worth doing now. I now have experience in this area. The decision won't be difficult to make.
In the meantime I have about a 95% complete engine, which, if I decide to go forward with the con rod repair, is a pretty good staring point.
Cheers!
Cheers! |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 1181
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2022 - 04:32 pm: |
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A good find for sure.
You'll want to make sure the water pump is working OK. The water outlet is inside the copper jacket.
Tt's a stand pipe that overflows into the outlet port in the engine cylinder casting.
The copper jacket looks in good shape
miro |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 1182
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2022 - 04:35 pm: |
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Another thing . . . a number of guys have found with the copper jacket engines,
that reversing on the switch would likely crack the flywheel where the hub meets the web. There's not much material there.
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chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 200
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 - 08:13 pm: |
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Thanks Miro.
Cheers! |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 225
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2022 - 04:08 pm: |
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For your viewing pleasure.
https://youtu.be/yxWD5V9l-mA |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 1200
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2022 - 01:49 pm: |
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Looks and sounds good to me.
Can you post a picture of the name tag? |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 227
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Monday, September 19, 2022 - 01:23 pm: |
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Sorry Miro.
Just getting to this now.
Cheers! |
narrabay2
Senior Member
Username: narrabay2
Post Number: 255
Registered: 10-2019
| | Posted on Friday, September 23, 2022 - 11:07 pm: |
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very cool! |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 234
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 - 12:10 pm: |
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From the time I bought the engine, if I rocked the flywheel back and forth I could hear a clunking sound. In the case of the Adams and the St. Lawrence, the source of the clunk was the big end of the connecting rod and was easily rectified.
Since I now have a use for the Kingfisher i decided to do some repair work on it. So this morning I partially dis-assembled it expecting to find the usual culprit, the con rod big end. Instead the source of the clunk is the other end. While the cylinder and piston appear to be in good shape, something definitiely has to be done about that connecting rod.
I am familiar with piston aero engines were the wrist pin may have aluminum caps. And I'm familiar with small 2 stroke engines where the wrist pin is retained by clips. Am I correct in saying that the wrist pin on an engine such as the Kingfisher A2 (Waterman) must be pressed out?
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chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 256
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2023 - 10:37 am: |
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I am now in the hunt for a set of piston rings for this engine. Earlier I managed to break one.
I have spent months going back and forth with Dave Reed at Otto's but that has only ended in unfulfilled promises, frustration, and no rings.
Today I will fill out and mail my membership application for the Dispro Owners Association. Perhaps I can find someone there who can point me the right direction.
In the meantime, can any of you help?
The rings are cast iron 2 3/4 x 5/32.
The lands are 3/16 (.183) wide and just over 1/8" (.128) deep.
Cheers! |
jeffk
Member
Username: jeffk
Post Number: 23
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2023 - 11:18 am: |
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"Trigon" rings
800-460-6751
"[email protected]"
any size and any material, also very reasonable.
Jeff |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 257
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2023 - 12:53 pm: |
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Thanks Jeff.
I have reached out to them.
Cheers! |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 1227
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2023 - 09:21 am: |
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I'll be at the DisPro Owners Association AGM this weekend. I'll see if there are some rings to be had
Miro |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 258
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2023 - 12:15 pm: |
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Thanks Miro.
Cheers! |
admin
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 94
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2023 - 01:45 pm: |
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You could try Niagara Piston Ring Works.
I haven't used them for years, but they used to be very reasonably priced.
Good luck.
Andrew |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 259
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2023 - 03:24 pm: |
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Thank you Andrew.
As I mentioned, Ireached out to Trigon. They were very responsive. I am hoping they have what I need.
I had not heard of Niagara. That is good to have them in the databank.
I had been dealing with Dave Reed at Otto's thinking they were the only game in town. Dave had been very good previously. However, something has changed. I have no idea what or why?
Cheers! |
dick_briggs
Senior Member
Username: dick_briggs
Post Number: 68
Registered: 02-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2023 - 05:18 am: |
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According to a recent post on SmokStak, Mr. Reid may be suffering from Covid complications:
https://www.smokstak.com/forum/threads/anyone-have-an-update-on-how-dave-reed-is -doing.227943/ |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 260
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2023 - 07:25 am: |
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My rings arrived yesterday from Trigon. I would recommend them. All aspects of the transaction were completely satisfactory. |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 263
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2023 - 07:19 am: |
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I am having difficulty wrt con rod. The one I removed was bent. I suspect the engine had either been hydrauliced, or had a sudden stoppage. However, bent con rod and all, it ran.
I wondered if I could get by with simpoly re- babbitting the bearing? That has proven problematic. I'm no good at it, and I machinist I asked to do it got no better result.
I was able to come up with another con rod, but it has no babbitt. Actually, I have now been told that the replacement con rod never did have babbitt.
The journal diameter is .750". The replacement con rod is oblong but nominally .830".
All of this brings me back to babbit. Clearly my shop isn't equipped to do it and I lack the expertise. And I cannot find expertise locally.
Can anyone point me a direction where I could ship the con rod to have it done?
Cheers! |
chris_spring
Senior Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 264
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2023 - 07:59 pm: |
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I connected with a machinist who suggested that bronze bushings would be better than babbitt. He has the parts now. It may take a couple of weeks for him to get around to it, but I think I should be pleased with the result.
BTW the serial number of this engine dates it to 1919. It would appear no engines of this type were produced in 1920.
Cheers! |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 1237
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2023 - 11:27 am: |
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I understand that the copper jacket engines were made in batches, so it's likely they made a batch to supply the demand after WW1 in 1919.
Then didn't make any until a couple of years later. |
