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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 68
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Friday, July 24, 2020 - 10:08 am: | 
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I have larger pictures but this is all I'm allowed. To give you an idea of its size, the flywheel is only 11 inches in diameter. Who built it?
Thanks,
Denis Rouleau
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 69
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 08:45 am: |
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It was suggested to me that my engine could be a Pierce made in Racine Wisconsin. I made a search here for Pierce and all Pierce engines have a removable head and the name cast in the flywheel.
There is one that differs and I'm including 2 pictures of it. It is a headless engine and the flywheel looks similar to my flywheel less the name on the flywheel. More info and/or comments would be most welcomed.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4168
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 09:35 am: |
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Have 68 engine makers in data base with 4 hole flywheels ? I'll go through them !
Not saying the engine is a Pierce, crankcase casting is question ? here's a 1909 Piere ad
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4169
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 09:54 am: |
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Waterpump different ?
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 70
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 10:31 am: |
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I just took 2 pics of the water pump:
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 71
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 10:50 am: |
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Pics of the advance/retard lever assembly.
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1444
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2020 - 09:20 pm: |
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Pierce is the only engine I've seen with that timer, reminds me of a Stevensons' link on a steam engine. Later Pierce engines were headless. The rear Exhaust and water pump look like the Detroit Auto Marine style engines. |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1445
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 01:43 pm: |
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My friend Bob sent pictures of his, no ID but he said he bought it as a Pierce.
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 72
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 05:35 pm: |
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Anyone know when this style of Pierce were made?
Now this is close. Thanks!
Denis Rouleau |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1446
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 06:58 pm: |
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Dennis, I believe this is the later style Pierce, but I don't have dates. I have an inverted twin from the 1890's, a single with a bolt on head I believe to be from the early 1900's, the twin below is from the same era as your engine, same flywheel style, same cylinder shape, and the distinctive Pierce timer.
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1447
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 07:10 pm: |
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In the thread linked below is some info. Another feature I've seen on Pierce engines is the brass bushing adapter for the carburetor, the one in this thread looks like yours.
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/1/117633.html#POST23887 |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4170
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 07:19 pm: |
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JB These photos of Bobs engine Show a split case crankcase, I have 60 makers with them went through all and no matches, also went through 64 makers with 4 hole flywhels no hits ? I've searched everything I have on Pierce, early ones have removable heads, headless engs came on the scene about 1905-06 but all pierces have a one piece crankcase and name cast into flywheel ? Timer, cylinder shape and 4 hole flywheel sure look like Pierce, accept the support bracket on timer control looks different than pierce ! most of my research material is in storage temporarily, and most of my memory is there too ! will keep looking ????
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1448
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 07:44 pm: |
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Richard, I wonder if there was any connection between Pierce and Detroit Auto Marine or some of the similar engines. The rear exhaust and water pump are like a Detroit. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4171
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 27, 2020 - 08:20 pm: |
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JB I think the proof of some sort of tie in is these two engines ?? Wish we could use DNA !
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bruce
Senior Member
Username: bruce
Post Number: 705
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - 12:20 pm: |
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JB< I think Jim Fehl restored one of these Pierce Racine engines ?? Mine is missing the casting that feeds the mixer/carb after air passes through the preheat passage. No name cast in the flywheel but it sports a brass tag ID tag naming it a Pierce |
scottnos
Member
Username: scottnos
Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - 12:37 pm: |
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The blue one is mine the timer is the same but the base casting is more like Bob engine it is a good running engine. And you will need to put a kill switch in the timer hole I made mine up maybe Bob is more original it makes easy to reverse |
narrabay2
Senior Member
Username: narrabay2
Post Number: 124
Registered: 10-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 - 12:52 pm: |
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The sheer numbers of makers makes me wonder, how many total small marine engine makers of all types are in your database Rich? |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1449
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 31, 2020 - 06:36 pm: |
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I remember Richard saying he had over 1700 documented manufacturers, This meant either a picture of a tag or some written data such as ads. Some of these may have been limited production if at all. I'm sure it included some re badged engines. I know he added more names after. When gasoline engines were invented the water was as ready as it is now, automobiles had to wait for roads. In South Louisiana if you didn't have a boat chances are you couldn't visit your neighbor, ride through today and see how many bridges you cross on the highways, a horse and buggy wouldn't have gotten you far. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4172
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 31, 2020 - 11:14 pm: |
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Was away a few days
old marine engine data base names of north american makers from 1890's to 1940 currently has 2088 entries !
posting one maker a week on here it would give us a theme and interest to research with all the modern tools and access and something to talk about etc for the next 40 years ??
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4173
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 31, 2020 - 11:53 pm: |
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* Just for fun this is first entry in data base
"Amoskeag Manufacturing Co. probaby initially entered 15-20 years ago, you can see that there is empty spaces of information to be filled in ?
what can be found ??
Data base 1.
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1450
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 02, 2020 - 10:42 am: |
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Well done Richard, do you have it saved or is it just on your computer? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4174
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 02, 2020 - 12:27 pm: |
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Thanks JB, I do have it on flash drives and a third backup !
An Amoskeag marine engine above was shown at
at Mystic show in 2018. have asked for photos
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 73
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, August 17, 2020 - 09:42 am: |
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Is my unknown engine a "PIERCE" or should it remain an unknown for now?
Denis Rouleau |
psnow
Member
Username: psnow
Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2020 - 06:15 pm: |
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Richard I have the Queen City engine. I will send you some pictures tomorrow.
Wondering where you found the info for your data base.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4179
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 28, 2020 - 11:53 am: |
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Peter , Ive worked on gathering marine engine makers names for over 40 years can't recall where I came across the Amoskeag reference to the Queen City ! looking foreward to photos.
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