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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 54
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, May 24, 2020 - 08:14 am: | 
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I recently picked up a little Defiance Iron Works inboard marine engine. What is known about this company? I have pictures but they are too big for this site.
I have pictures here: http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Defiance/page101.html
Thanks! Denis Rouleau |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4149
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 24, 2020 - 06:11 pm: |
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Defiance Iron Works
first year production 1905
last year production 1910
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chris_spring
Advanced Member
Username: chris_spring
Post Number: 41
Registered: 02-2019
| | Posted on Sunday, May 24, 2020 - 10:20 pm: |
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Very cool!
Cheers! |
denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 55
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 - 10:15 am: |
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It would be interesting to know how many Defiance engines were made in Chatham. My guess is less than 500 engines. My understanding is that the 1905 and some 1906 motors only had the "DEFIANCE" name tag on then but from the end of 1906 on, a Canadian Gas Power & Launches Co. brass tag was also added to these motors. Denis Rouleau
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4150
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 - 02:22 pm: |
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1905 Defiance copper top
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 56
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, May 25, 2020 - 02:40 pm: |
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Richard, this one seems to be identical to mine, and less than 75 serial numbers apart.
Anyone else has a defiance?
Denis Rouleau |
denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 57
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2020 - 06:11 am: |
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Were Defiance motors ever built under the name "Swift Motor Car Company of Canada" OR was this a project that never materialized?
Denis Rouleau
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4152
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2020 - 11:01 am: |
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As far as I know no Defiance marine engines were
made by the Swift adventure !
This is taken from my data base under SWIFT
" In 1910 Frank Mount of Chatham took over Defiance Iron Works foundry on Lacroix Street and reorganized it as the Swift Motor Car Company of Canada Ltd. Mount reportedly built a few Swift Cars in 1910 before giving the Foundry over to the Walker Motor Car Co. later that same year ".
Looked for info for years on this subject but never found anything more than this ?
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 58
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2020 - 02:29 pm: |
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The attached ad appeared in "Canadian Machinery" monthly during all of 1911. It suggests that Swift marine engines were built in Chatham, Ontario.
Denis Rouleau
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4153
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2020 - 03:22 pm: |
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Thanks for the ad its the best evidence that Swift may have made marine engines that I have seen, although I have had swift in my data base for years they were always a maybe ! It would follow that the engine they may have made was a copy of the DEFIANCE ??
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 59
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2020 - 08:37 pm: |
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Unfortunately none of the ads show what a Swift marine engine should look like.
Denis Rouleau |
denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 60
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2020 - 09:21 pm: |
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If you don't succeed at first, try again!
Here is a January 1911 "Swift" Motor ad.
Denis Rouleau
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4154
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 12:24 am: |
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Thanks for this ad, Swift Will be a part of permanent files now.With all their optional engines available they must have been a very capable manufacturer, the engine in the ad is quite sophisticated in 1911. interesting to see who's design their engines came from ?
Good Stuff
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4155
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 12:27 am: |
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Denis thanks for your email, if you send me the photos of your engine I'll size them and post them here !
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4157
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 09:37 am: |
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Denis Rouleau Defiance engine photos
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4158
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 01:29 pm: |
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The red engine above is a different lower casting on the name plate side ??
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denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 61
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 03:13 pm: |
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The red engine above is a different lower casting on the name plate side?
Richard, I also wonder what is the use of the opening for some sort of shaft held by 2 set screws/bolts?
Denis Rouleau |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 4159
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 03:23 pm: |
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Have to think about that-- anyone have suggestions?
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bruce_g
Member
Username: bruce_g
Post Number: 26
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2020 - 09:11 pm: |
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That hole by the exhaust manifold is where the carb is attached. Bruce |
denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 62
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2020 - 11:52 am: |
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Here are 2 close up pictures of the area in question. Any idea as to its possible usefulness?
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1443
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2020 - 06:46 pm: |
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My guess would be for a reversible propeller lever. |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2593
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 - 07:13 am: |
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My thoughts are the same as JB's |
denis_rouleau
Senior Member
Username: denis_rouleau
Post Number: 63
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, June 07, 2020 - 09:28 am: |
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I was not able to reach the owner of this other Defiance marine engine. I would like to know what the serial number is on his. Larry, if you see this please tell me what your serial number is on your defiance. Thanks! Denis Rouleau
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