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keith
| | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 03:18 pm: | 
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I have a two cylinder make and break marine engine that was sold by The Fairbanks Company of New York, NY. They had world wide offices and to my knowledge purchased engines from manufactures and put on their tag. They sold, under their name, engines made by Callahan, Field-Brundage, and Bates & Edmonds. This engine is listed as 11Hp and as being "Type 0". The picture is of the Port side, showing the exhaust manifold and intake. Any help in identifing the manufacture would be appreciated. Thanks.
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keith
| | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 03:24 pm: |
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This the Starboard side with a crankcase pressure oiler with cast iron reservoir. The serial # of this engine is 3769.
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keith
| | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 03:26 pm: |
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The front
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 10:15 pm: |
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The Faibanks Company of New York city sold their
Marine engines under the trade name " VICTOR ".
Around 1910 they made a 1 1/2 Hp headless single
called " THE VICTOR BABY ", five singles from 3 to
10 Hp and three twins a 9, 11 and 15 HP.This same
co. manufactured the well known FAIRBANKS STANDARD SCALES.In a 1913 "Index to Marine Motors"
the listing was " FAIRBANKS-VICTOR " The Fairbanks
Co. Boston Mass ?. At this same time the standard issue carb was a Schebler, This engine with a mixer valve is probably older??. |
Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 07:57 pm: |
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Keith, Found a Xerox copy of a 1908 catalog from Fairbanks showing the Fairbanks Type "K" 2 cycle,
headless, HT engine. Shows one to three cylinders. 1 1/2 to 25 HP. I will try to scan 2 images and send |
Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 08:00 pm: |
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Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 08:01 pm: |
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Richard Day
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2002 - 09:07 pm: |
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Tom, do you have a photo of the M/B small Victor? I have one and I figure it is about 1-1/2 HSP. Has a large brass threaded plug in the top of the cylinder which was used to close the hole where the boring bar went through. Mine is in very good condition and it has a Schebler model D 3/4" carburetor. |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 12:11 pm: |
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Dick
Is this like your engine ?
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Ernie
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 07:50 am: |
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Richard,
To go along with Dicks post on the other Fairbanks thread, this enigne is actually a Hubbard made CT. Take a look in the "yellow book" under Hubbard. Dick has one with another MFR tag on it. (not sure what name) If I can find the pic I will post it. Fairbanks was huge and most likely did not mfr anything just "rebadged" what ever it was.
Hope this helps
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Ernie
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 04:25 pm: |
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Here is a pic of Dicks engine
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keith
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 09:14 am: |
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I started this thread, by posting the picture of the 11 hp twin back in Feb of 2002, to try and identify the engine. Thanks to Ernie's extensive knowledge, 22 months later I know the manufacture is Hubbard. Does anyone have any literature on the Hubbard Motor Co. of Middletown, CT? Dick, Does your thick Fairbanks Company cataloge show the two cylinder as pictured in Wendel's on page 237? |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 10:00 am: |
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Keith
Reposted the old discussion when the present Fairbanks post came up, It reminded me that we had never found out who made these engines ?
I'll look for Hubbard info !
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THANKS ERNIE another unknown comes to light !
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From The Fairbanks Co. Bulletin No.8, fifth edition.
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Ernie
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 11:39 am: |
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By the way the pics posted by Tom are engines produced by Ferro. I used to have a complete set of Ferro literature but have not been able to find it for a couple of years. (so I can't post any pics) It seems that most of the engines prodeced by Ferro for their own production had removable heads. The engines produced for others were headless. I have seen Ferro engines with Canadian Fairbanks and now Fairbanks on them. |
solarrog
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 12:18 pm: |
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Ernie, When you have a moment please follow this link to pictures of a closed head Ferro I have.
Now I wonder if its a Ferro made engine. It sure is tagged as one.
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=30312886&f=0
Roger DiRuscio |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 01:14 pm: |
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This is a 1915 Hubbard ad, with a quick scan this was first year that Hubbard ran ads with their name on them.
The ad says formerly sold as "Victor marine motors"
May be that the older engines will have the Fairbanks Victor tag on them ??
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 01:32 pm: |
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This is a 1909 Fairbanks ad and a list with some familiar marine eng co.'s names on it.
Quite possible that fairbanks's ability to market
marine engs put many of these companys on the map???
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 02:14 pm: |
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This is an April 1909 ad ,three months later than ad above.
they have dropped the other mfgr's and are with Victor engs only, and mention an 11hp twin available. also refer to bulletin 8. This dates bulletin 8 as 1909 and also the first availability
of Keith's eng as a 1909 !!!
All this made easy with help from ERNIE !
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Richard Day
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 06:13 pm: |
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If you notice the photo of my Victor shows a great deal of simalarity with Hubbard except the water outlet at the top STBD side of the head. The tag says Fairbanks Col with all the usual countries etc. listed. I spent the morning looking for the Fairbanks catalog and with my filing system I had no luck. For those familiar with it you will understand. I will keep looking but where is it???
I have never run the Victor and I don't see anything wrong with it. It has good compression and is not all beat up. |
andrew
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 06:56 pm: |
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Chuck Franklin restored a 5HP Hubbard, he may still have it, I don't know...
Also, I think the model marine engine that was made in Germany (?) was based on a Hubbard...
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Ernie
| | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 07:44 am: |
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Roger,
Yes your engine is a Ferro. It seems that they just didn't make as many headless with their name on them as they did with removable heads.
As to Andrews comments on the model kit yes it was patterned after the Hubbard. I have one. Havn't built it and most likely won't. No time.
Hope this helps
Ernie |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 09:50 am: |
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R.B.
This is Hubbard discussion ( The Fairbanks Co.) |
ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 503
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 11:03 am: |
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Richard
Can you scan the rest of the info you have on the Baby above and post it or e-mail it to me? I now have one and would like what ever info I can get.
Thanks in advance
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richarddurgee
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Post Number: 760
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 12:33 pm: |
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Ernie
These Engines were suitable to a very specific Clientele ??
Some info on Hubbard and Fairbanks but very little on the headless Baby ! I'll go through what I have and see what else i can find.
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ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 504
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 01:22 pm: |
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Richard,
Thanks |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 761
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 02:33 pm: |
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This earliest Hubbard ad that I have Oct 1902 says 3 to 30 Hp engines. my notes say Hubbard began in approx 1902 but with 3-30 hp array of engines seems they were making engs earlier than this ??
This Sept 1905 ad is first mention of the 1 1/2 Hp engine which I assume is the headless "Baby"
Notice Hubbard ran ad and listed their agents, soon afterward Fairbanks Co. was sole Agent and trade named the engs "Victor"
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 763
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 12:21 pm: |
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This is earliest ad I can find where Faibanks lists the " Victor " trade name for the Hubbard engines ! Feb 1909 !
By early 1914 Hubbard was again advertising their own name and saying Formerly sold as " Victor ".
So as close as I can tell the Hubbard engines with Faibanks Victor tags were sold for the 4 years 1909-1913. |
searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 03:14 pm: |
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I have a very rough Fairbanks Company Bulletin #8, Type "O" engines, copyright 1907. It depicts "the Victor Baby" including the identical text that is in Richard Durgee's scans above. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 764
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 04:45 pm: |
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Seacher
Thats Great info and helps date the Fairbanks tagged engines two years earlier, nothing like dated factory information . I have a Fairbanks Bulletin #8 Fifth edition but no date on it ! |
searcher
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Username: searcher
Post Number: 27
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 05:39 pm: |
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I never thought to look for an edition number. My Fairbanks Bulletin #8 is Second Edition. So, possibly Fairbanks badged 'the Victor Baby' as early as 1906. |
