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raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 102
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2015 - 08:00 pm: | 
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Has anyone seen one of these old girls? This one followed me home from JB's A few years ago and I finally got it repaired and back together. It has a 4" bore and a 5" stroke. It looks early say 1910-15. One of the mysteries is the method of cooling. It has no water pump or any evidence of there ever having one. There are two large cooling ports 1" npt on the sie of the cylinder and thats all. On,y thing I can think of is a tank for thermo cooling which seems strainge to say the least
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1119
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2015 - 09:05 pm: |
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Glad to see it together Dick, any video's of it running? Should be able to get it down slow with that flywheel. This engine had a rough life, I have a link to the crankshaft work below, that was the second crank I repaired with my "new crank grinder".
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112752 |
raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 103
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 03:29 pm: |
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Has anyone seen a engine cooled by thermal syphon and a keel cooler? Has to be some reason for those large cooling water ports. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3702
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 06:06 pm: |
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Dick, a few years back when I first saw this engine at JB's camp it came with the name Chicago, I proceeded to search for info and finally think that the source was "Chicago Gasoline Engine Company at 57 North Jefferson,Chicago Illinois.
this 1904 ad from "Farm Journal" is a stationary engine and shows the large cooling hoses ?
This 1905 ad from "American Blacksmith" shows the cylinder with what I believe ( I can't really see it- maybe I'm hoping) that is the same as on you engine, that webbed casting that supports the igniter rod, it is a very unique trait !
One of the problems with searching this one is that in late 1905 they reorganized as "Smith Manufacturing Company" marketing a different named line "The Great Western engines" This was a much larger enterprise an made many products. I did discover minimal info that Smith Manufacturing did continue to make the Chicago line of engines and somewhere around 1906 made marine engines, the article that was uncopyable went on to say that the marine engine mfgr was a very small part of their overall production.
Maybe pursuing the Smith Manufacturing name will one day come up with a marine engine photo or a catalog ?
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raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 104
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 10:38 pm: |
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Thanks Richard that give me a hint as to where the darn nameplate goes. I belted it over again for 2.5 hours and it starts and runs much better now.
Dick |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3703
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2015 - 10:57 am: |
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Looked in Wendels Red Book on pg 472.
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raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 105
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2015 - 11:48 am: |
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The pump must have been lost over the years. A plunger pump with a spring pushing the plunger out would track the flat spot on the bottom of the ignition strap. This all makes sense now. Sure wish I had the pump or a picture which shows details
Thanks again for the help
Dick |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3704
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2015 - 08:55 pm: |
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Looks like Jacob Haish Mfg Co.Dekalb, Illinois Was the actual manufacturer of the Chicago & Great Western engines !
http://www.jacobhaishmfg.org/Chanticleer%20Engines.htm
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raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 106
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2015 - 11:19 pm: |
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PB030001.m4v
With the great help of Richard Durgee this is a video of teh Chicago Gas Engine running. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3707
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, November 06, 2015 - 11:51 am: |
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raa.
Chicago Marine engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AcZDcpWVI&feature=youtu.be
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 01:14 pm: |
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IT runs great Dick, figured it would run slow with that heavy flywheel. Any evidence of a water pump connection on the ignitor strap? As for the large holes in the cylinder I think they used the same casting as the stationary engines. |
raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 107
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2015 - 02:23 pm: |
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Only evidence on the strap is a cast flat spot with no machine
marks. the main bearing boss has no machined surface or mounting holes. Yes the large ports were for thermo syphon cooling on the pump jack, etc. |
raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 108
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2015 - 04:02 pm: |
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If any one has a stray or extra water pump that might be adapted to this old girl, I would like to buy one.
Dick |
