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| Lockwood - Ash 1909 History |
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 07:36 pm: | 
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primetrucks
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 11:18 pm: |
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hi richard
looks like to me before 1909 the engines had swing timmers. what you get out of this info? |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 09:14 am: |
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Reading through old info on Lockwood -Ash the Co. began as early as 1904 with a small two stroke and in 1905 printed their first 15 pg catalog. The second most significant production year was 1909, with what must have been a large capitol investment for engineering,design,equipment,tooling and facilities to come out with the engs mentioned above. The larger HP engs,the castings of the exhaust and intake manifolds, the first (optional) wet exhausts, and the familiar timer with switch.
Any of these style of engines still around??
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J.B. Castagnos
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 01:32 pm: |
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Richard, I have a 12hp L-A, serial # 12014, the 14th 12hp in that series, it looks to be a little later than this twelve, has a water pump like the 5hp in the picture. I have a 6hp, #60035, the 35th 6hp in that model. It looks a lot like the 5hp, different valve cage. I was told that L-A chose model numbers by engine series, a 24 was a 2 or 4hp single cylinder, a 68 was a twin cylinder 6 or 8hp. There are a few of these in our area. My 6hp is a model 46, I've never seen any info on a 4hp twin. |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:19 pm: |
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J.B. This pic was posted by dick Gibbens some time back, its an early twin and from what I can see it has a piston water/pump,also has external water piping but it does look as if it goes into exhaust manifold??I'll try to find when they went from gear pump to piston type ??
Interesting about model numbers, I haven't seen any info on a 4 HP twin so far !!
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J.B. Castagnos
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 10:42 pm: |
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I found pictures of the 12hp, here's the tag, doesn't list a model   |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:08 pm: |
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J.B. Looks like we had the same eng in mind, the cooling system allowed either wet or dry exhaust , I like that hand crank option ! |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:32 pm: |
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J.B.
This is a Feb 1911 ad,its different than the 1909
engs and just like yours above !
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:45 pm: |
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After a closer look the water outlets at head and exhaust manifold are same but it still has geared water/pump??
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 11:56 pm: |
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Another difference,Intake manifold on 1911 is in crankcase, on eng above ,into cylinder base ??
How many more tries do I get to try to date J.B's
Lockwood twin ??? |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 08:22 pm: |
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Have been searching but After 1911 Lockwood-Ash ads are all outboards or the small engs, guess we'll have to find factory catalogs to help date this eng any closer ?? |
Rocky Coen
| | Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 02:21 pm: |
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Have a Lockwood Chief on e-bay this week.Check it out at fishingbuckshot20 |
keith_felder
Member
Username: keith_felder
Post Number: 26
Registered: 06-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, September 06, 2015 - 12:57 pm: |
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can someone tell me what year Lockwood-Ash used oval tags ?? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3660
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 07, 2015 - 10:23 pm: |
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Keith
I think that with an input from many Lockwood collectors here we could figure out or attempt to anyway the serial numbers of engines and what tag shapes went with what series of numbers, with some advanced info like a factory invoice to substantiate mfgr date we could start to relate serial numbers to mfgr date ?
Three shapes of tags---
Rectangular are oldest, these are what I have
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Oval Tags
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Square tags
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The numbers seem consecutive ?
If anyone has trouble posting photos just give the serial number and tag shape !
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keith_felder
Member
Username: keith_felder
Post Number: 27
Registered: 06-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2015 - 09:37 am: |
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Thanks Richard, I will try to send my photos of tags soon. Can you send me a line with model number, serial number, and horsepower of the tags that you showed. Thanks, Keith Felder |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3661
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2015 - 11:04 am: |
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If we can get many more tags or just the info from them on here I will make a chart and list all of them.
Its been stated the the first numbers are the horse power and others are the number of engines made of that horsepower ?? Not sure how that applies as yet ??? any info appreciated !
So far with the above tags the largest rectangular tag Number is #1017 and the lowest oval tag is #12014 so the oval tags began somewhere between those two ? lots of tags in between to narrow it down but its a start !
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1091
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2015 - 06:40 pm: |
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12014 is my enigne, guessing about 1915-16. This is the later serial # system that uses the horsepower followed by serial #. That's the 14th 12hp under that numbering. |
keith_felder
Member
Username: keith_felder
Post Number: 28
Registered: 06-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2015 - 08:01 pm: |
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these are some of mine, photos later
1, 1-1/2 HP, ser # 0146 , year 1914~, model 1-1/2
2. 2-1/2 HP, see # 21646 , year 1919~, model 24
3. 5 HP , ser # 222 , year 1908 , model c
4. 5 HP , 4 cyc, ser # 1356, year 1924 , model 41
5. 6 HP , ser # 60810 , year 1920 , model 68
6. 8 HP, ser # 80478 , year 1925, model 68 |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3662
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2015 - 08:24 pm: |
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Interested in knowing the shape of each Tag ?
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