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squareroot
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Username: squareroot
Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2014 - 08:42 pm: | 
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owned/restored by Bill Ettling
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3335
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 07:01 am: |
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Nice Work !
Great looking old classic marine engine !
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jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 930
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 08:28 am: |
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Good looking motor, any history on it? Where is it located? |
gregoryan
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Username: gregoryan
Post Number: 116
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:28 am: |
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WoW! What a Big Petrol Two Stroke putt putt!!! OMG! Is there anything bigger in this category?
Is there a youtube clip available of this running?
How is it started?
Does it backfire out the carby like the smaller engines do?,. if so, I suppose this would not stifle it so bad, without a common inlet manifold filling with smoke [ it has two carbs]
How do such heavy Big-end bearings get good lube?;,. Just Petroil?
What size boat would it push?
and propeller would this drive?.. 26�?
What is the bore/ stroke? [ I guess 6� x 7�?]
HP rating? 30?
Revs?...400?
These are a lot of guesses, but it makes one think!
Thanks in advance for any answers. |
squareroot
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Username: squareroot
Post Number: 6
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 01:02 pm: |
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Yes, Bill has copies of the original invoice and an 'owners manual'? and other literature from the factory. Though making different products now, the company still exists. Bill lives near Jackson, Missouri, perhaps within 15 miles of the Mississippi River. The engine was originally shipped April 1, 1904, to Henry Hanrath, Frankfort, Michigan. So we assume it was to be used on Lake Michigan. If I have the story correct, this engine was 'salvaged' from the Kahlenberg factory in the 1930s. It went to a 'dry dock' at Cape Girardeau on the Mississippi River, where a tow boat was being built. The boat builder was probably at the factory to order or pick up his tow-boat engine. When the restoraton process barely began there, John Hall rounded up the pieces and sold the project to Bill many years later. |
squareroot
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Username: squareroot
Post Number: 7
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Friday, June 27, 2014 - 12:39 pm: |
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Continuing the story of the Kahlenberg. I should not have implied the restoration is complete; it is still in the process. The 'shop number of the engine is 18D. It is 24HP. Originally 8" stroke, 7" bore. Some time in its history it seems to have been overbored to 7.235" Kahlenberg literature says it weighs 1800 LB., has an operating speed of 300 RPM, and the propeller size was 34".
I'm not betting that Bill will ever run it; but it will be capable. Bill has high standards and won't cut corners mechanically.
You can probably see the 3 'standpipes' that grease the main bearings. Each has a brass greaser on top with a crossbar handle. The engine still needs an oiler (4- or 6-lines?). Also missing is a magneto bracket.
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squareroot
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Username: squareroot
Post Number: 8
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Friday, June 27, 2014 - 12:49 pm: |
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2 more pictures while I am at it.
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ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 1842
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 27, 2014 - 01:21 pm: |
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Look at the ignitor linkage. At first glance it appears that they both trip at the same time.
My first thoughs were it was a twingle but at this size you couldn't start it against compression of both cylinders together.
After looking at the pics closely one trips when the linkage moves forward and the other trips when it moves aft.
Took a bit of head scratching to figure it out.
Just think what it sounded like under load.
What a nice engine and wonderfull restoration
Thanks for posting the pics and information.
Ernie |
robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 648
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 12:23 pm: |
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Magnificent restoration. The gentleman could use some of the early round-bead pipe fittings. I believe the Kahlenberg's had 90� taps on the cylinder walls. I'm sure I've got a couple of taps here he could have.
Wonderfully smooth engines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxAzd2ZzkzY |
peterss
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 07:12 pm: |
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Do I get bonus points for identifying Henry Hanrath's boat as the Rhine, 10 gross tons, 39 feet length X 10 feet beam, built 1904, owner home address of Frankfort, MI?
Source:
Beeson's Marine Directory, 1908
Beautiful engine!
Scott Peters} |
peterss
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 07:24 pm: |
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Looks like Rhine suffered a terrible accident:
RHINE Gas Propeller. U. S. No. 203483. Built 1904, of 10 Gross Tons. Dec. 26, 1908 vessel foundered at Frankfort, Lake Michigan and became a total loss with all 4 persons on board.
Loss of U. S. Vessels Reported in
Fiscal Year 1909. M.V.U.S., 1909
Source:
Maritime History of the Great Lakes website
Scott Peters |
squareroot
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Username: squareroot
Post Number: 12
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2014 - 09:46 pm: |
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Copy of original sales record:
Close-up
Rather crude; isn't it?! |
squareroot
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Username: squareroot
Post Number: 13
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2014 - 09:55 pm: |
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Apparently the engine was returned to the factory early in 1908 for 'upgrading.'
So the 'terrible accident' must have occurred later in the year.
Thank you, Scott Peters, for discovering news of that sinking! And, YES, you have a double allotment of bonus points!! |
squareroot
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Username: squareroot
Post Number: 14
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2014 - 10:04 pm: |
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