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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 280
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 03:48 pm: | 
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I have a B2 Waterman twin that needs the exhaust manifold. I have a Xerox of a 1914 catalog with some info on that line. It looks like they started in 1913. My engine has a magneto. They say the B series was somewhat faster. Should make a nice display next to the copper Jacket twin K2 that I got 1000 years ago at Clayton.
Picture of the B2 and catalog top sheet (1914) |
thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 282
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 03:52 pm: |
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thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 283
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 03:53 pm: |
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solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 320
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 03:56 pm: |
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here is a fire pumper with a K2 on it |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 392
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 05:36 pm: |
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That's the first I've seen like that, intake is on the opposite side of my twins, the primer and water outlet are at the top of the cylinder, and the base is like my single, has the flanges on each side of the bolt.. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1818
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 06:33 pm: |
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This one just sold on internet !
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 284
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 07:11 pm: |
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In paging through the 1914 catalog I found the section on P21 where they state the B series first came out in 1910 without fanfare. A "few" motors for evaluation were planned but "word of mouth" caused a small flood (my verbiage) of orders. In 1913 they changed the timer or magneto drive to spur gears from the chain drive in Richard's notes. I'll have to see the details of this engine.
Thanks to all |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 394
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 07:12 pm: |
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Richard, looks like a K in the picture you posted, primer cups are on the side of the cylinder, carb and exhaust are opposite of the B, water outlet is through a spill tube inside the jacket to the base of the cylinder. The base is a different design also, looks more like the singles. I've seen the K style engine, does anyone else have a B? |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 205
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 10:05 am: |
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Thomas,
I have a B2. I will take some pictures.
Keith |
richardday
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 659
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 10:31 am: |
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I got a photo from Dick and he may have a solution which will help other Watermen K2 owners.He tried to post it but didn't suceed. I am not great at posting photos but will try one more time.
Real good talking with you tonight. If you know anyone who needs a manifold for a K2 I could get one cast or I could send the pattern off so long as I get it back.
Dick Alcock
815 623 2386
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thomas
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 285
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:09 pm: |
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I wonder if he has a friend making B2 exhaust mainfolds? :-) |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1819
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 04:26 pm: |
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All the K's I've seen have a four hole flywheel, B's have solid Flywheel ??
1913 B4 Waterman
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thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 286
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 04:57 pm: |
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I spoke to Dick Alcock about his casting exploits: In the picture above the advert from Richard the plate with the "groove" is for making the packed sand & glue core part (1/2 at a time & just a touch of glue to hold together)
The part to the left that looks like an unmachined manifold is actually the pattern used to form the mold. This is all fascinating since the hottest metal I ever poured was babbit.
Tom |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 206
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 08:39 pm: |
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Thomas,
I will post pictures tomorrow. I have 2 B4's. Both have solid flywheels and and vertical timers on the front, with front mounted water pumps. Serial #'s 1106 and 1107. The B2 is the same as yours except the flywheel has 6 holes and instead of a mag it has a timer mounted at the same location. The B2 doesn't have a tag or plate. |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 207
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 09:37 am: |
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Thomas,
This is a B4 with a solid flywheel. The flywheel is 14" in diameter and 2" wide. The exhaust manifold is of the same construction as the B2. I tend to think that having the timer on the front is earlier.
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 208
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 09:43 am: |
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Thomas,
The B2 has a 18" diameter by 1-5/8" wide flywheel with holes. The exhaust manifold is aluminum and cored for water cooling. You can borrow it if that would help.
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thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 287
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 10:15 am: |
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Keith,
I would appreciate the loan so much!! Let me measure the spacing just to be sure it's the same since your B2 is different enough.
I'll email you off list.
Tom |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1821
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 11:35 am: |
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Keith
Thanks for the posts, From looking at ads the oldest B is this 1910 and it looks identical to your B4. These early ones had the vertical timer up front and also had flat mounting flanges. 1913 and later had the encased rear timer drive and the u shaped mounts. would lead me to believe your engine is 1910-12.
The 6 hole flywheel on the B2 is duly noted !
1910
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thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 288
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 12:45 pm: |
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Did you notice the 1910 B4 ad says "B-4 2 Cylinder 4 Cycle.." AND the 1913 ad states "4 cylinder 8 cycle..." I assume this is just an under educated advertising department? |
thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 301
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 06:53 am: |
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Anybody who needs of thinks they might need a B2 manifold please contact me or Dick Alcock. There might be several new ones available. |
thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 321
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 07:53 pm: |
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I Could not wait to post these pictures I just took a bit ago of the brand new B2 manifold I received today via UPS. MUCH more detail to follow tomorrow.....Just wanted everyone to see this work of art |
thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 322
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 07:55 pm: |
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thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 323
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 07:57 pm: |
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thomas
Senior Member
Username: thomas
Post Number: 324
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 07:58 pm: |
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