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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1661
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 12:26 am: | 
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Don Custis
Unknown Intake Manifold
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ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 798
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 09:17 am: |
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Looks like Lockwood or Nadler to me
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john_archibald
Senior Member
Username: john_archibald
Post Number: 52
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 09:55 am: |
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Is this a water intake? Why the grease fitting...for the plunger?
Archibald
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1662
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 12:29 pm: |
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Ernie Knows !
I think that the brass pipe nipple with the grease fitting goes to something else-- put there to test our sense of humor ??
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doncustis
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Username: doncustis
Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 01:22 am: |
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WHAT IS THE MFG. NAME OF THIS ENGINE, I CANNOT READ THE NAME STAMPED ON THE CYL. AND WHAT IS THE YEAR OF MFG. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1664
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 01:34 pm: |
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Lockwood Ash
That manifold will probably fit some engines from 1915-16 thru to 50's when Nadler ceased mfging ?
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 348
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 01:49 pm: |
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Don,that's a 8hp Nadler cylinder. Nadler was having trouble with the castings, had the early twins cast by a foundry in Texas. That's the foundry's mark on the cylinder, have seen some upside down. The water pump is the Lockwood Ash style with the hex nuts on the check valves, but early Nadlers may have used these, most I've seen had screwdriver slots. Look on the flywheel end of the crank and see if you can read a serial #, L-A stamped them, Nadler didn't, it could be a L-A with a replacement cylinder. Nadler was a local foundry, they were also a dealer and repair service for the L-A engines. When L-A quit making the inboards in the 20's, Nadler purchased the patterns and rights to manufacture these engines to meet the demand in our area. The outboards at that time were too fragile to run in the punishing conditions these were put through. I have no way to date them, they did manufacture them into the early 50's. Nadler closed in 2000, I have some tags I found in the store room, if you need one let me know. |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 349
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 01:54 pm: |
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Looking at the manifold, or valve cage as we call it, I would have said it was from a 6hp by the picture. The space between the caps looked close. Is it the correct size for the 8hp you have? Nadler never made a 6hp, they did make replacement parts for them. They decided it was too close in size to the 8, and cost the same to mfg. |
doncustis
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Username: doncustis
Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 03:10 pm: |
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THANK YOU FOR THE INFO ON THE NADLER VALVE CAGE. THIS VALVE CAGE IS TO SMALL FOR MY L-A ENGINE, THE GREASE FITTING WAS THERE WHEN I PICKED IT UP. I AM STILL LOOKING FOR THE BOTTOM HALF OF A WATER PUMP FOR MY L-A ( THE CAM AND BRACKET THAT CONNECTS TO THE WATER PUMP PISTON AND CRANK SHAFT.) DON CUSTIS |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1665
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 05:37 pm: |
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J.B. the 8 Hp engine above was a file photo I had to show the valve cage on an engine ! I did learn here that the cage above is small one for the 6 Hp engs and that nadler didn't make 6 hp engs, so would the cage above fit 1915-16 , 6 hp Lockwoods up to middle 1920's ?
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john_archibald
Senior Member
Username: john_archibald
Post Number: 53
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 06:42 pm: |
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Never mind...now I see the water ump! |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 350
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:19 pm: |
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Don, if I remember correctly your engine is a very early L-A, the valve cage on yours was similar to the one we discussed recently on Scott Noseworthy's engine, a wide manifold with a check valve on each end. For your water pump I think you are talking about the eccentric-coupler and the connecting strap. It should take the offset strap as seen in the drawing I posted in the discussion on Scott's engine. I borrowed one from Jamie Hurry for my 2 1/2hp several years ago, had three cast. I used one and he got the other two castings, don't know if he used them all, I'll check. The eccentric could be machined from round stock, I may have a drawing. |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 351
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:27 pm: |
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Richard, there were some 6hp engines with this valve cage but no plate bolted to the block as seen in your picture, the model 68. I don't know when they came out, but this cage will fit all of these 6hp engines. |
john_archibald
Senior Member
Username: john_archibald
Post Number: 54
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:46 pm: |
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Noseworthy...that's a Newfoundland name. Any connection?
Archibald
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searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 500
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 05:29 pm: |
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Is this one a Lockwood Ash, Nadler, or Motorgo (with an incorrect timer and different water pump)? No tag on it and I don't see the foundry marks as in the one above.
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 631
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 11:17 pm: |
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This is a 6HP L-A or possibly Motorgo, the tag would be the only way to tell, Motorgo was a Sears Roebuck label. The 6HP used 6 bolts to hold the cylinder on, the 8hp used 8. This is an early engine, no plate behind the valve cage, no pad behind the timer to mount a magneto, L shaped water pump. |
searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 501
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 12:43 am: |
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JB,
Thanks for the information. I know nothing about the LA, Motorgo, Nadler engines as they aren't my thing. You mentioned it was an early engine, roughly what kind of date range do you think this one falls in?
The timer is one used on the Fifield Brothers Capital engine 'manufactured' in Augusta, Maine. Clearly, the timer is a 'make do' retrofit to this LA/Motorgo engine. The Fifield Brothers manufactured an engine very much like this LA/Motorgo. When I saw the timer on this engine under poor lighting in a dark barn, I was close to peeing my pants thinking that I had found a Capital model that I hadn't seen before. Oh well, its all part of the chase. I have a Capital engine that has an identical timer in need of some parts so I think this timer will be put to good use. Thanks again. |
scott_n
Senior Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 210
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 04:59 pm: |
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John Yes I'm a Newfoundlander |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 454
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 07:45 pm: |
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I could really use an 8 hp Nadler intake manifold like the one shown above. Anybody have an extra?
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