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scott_n
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Username: scott_n
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 03:07 pm: | 
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Hi guys just pick up this Lockwood-Ash Motorgo sn# 636 type O HP.5 can anyone put a date on it    |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 333
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 09:40 pm: |
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Scott, I tried to reply to your email, it bounced. I would guess about 1910, you can see a spot for the oiler on the manifold. The bolt on exhaust, single bolt gear cover and wide intake were all early design. I have some castings for the timer, do you need it machined? |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 334
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 09:57 pm: |
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Scottt, here's a link to the timer you need.
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3433/91576.html |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 335
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 06:25 am: |
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Jamie Hury and Audie Taquino each have an engine like this, no tag on theirs. L-A usually stamped the ser # on the end of the crank, I'll check with them to see if they're marked. I didn't know they were a type O. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1619
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 09:48 am: |
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I'm wondering if on closer inspection that the type O on the tag above is really a type C ? early lockwood Ash engs up through 1911 were alphabetically typed.
Type A was single cyl.
Type B was enbloc twin with lever timer.
Type C was enbloc twin with rotary timer.
Later engs were typed by their Horse Power rating.
1909
Her is a rare photo ad and the earliest I have found so far and a bit different than the later styled eng above.
1907
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 336
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 10:02 am: |
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Here's a 1912 drawing of a 6hp, same style, I think the 5hp was earlier.
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 337
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 10:03 am: |
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 338
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 10:09 am: |
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Richard, that second ad appears to be a 3 port, intake and ex on the same side, no check valves. That's the only 3 port L-A I've ever seen. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1620
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 11:45 am: |
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J.B.
When I first saw this ad it struck me as an engine that must have a lot of history around it ! So far I have not seen a photo of an earlier L/A twin this may be their first ?? also seems technologicaly in reverse to give up three port design for two port ? My thoughts are that maybe they had casting difficulties or costs and there was the patent rights to be financialy dealt with ??
Would sure like to see one in one of the Bateaus
and run side by side with a two port of same HP.
Best part of all this ---- is every time we hear about an old LA twin, sugar plums of a 3 port will dance in our heads--- GREAT STUFF--.
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 339
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 02:44 pm: |
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When someone wants to know about a two cylinder L-A and they don't know if it's a 6 or 8hp I tell them to count the bolts holding the cylinder to the base, a 6 has 6 bolts an 8 has 8. I was looking at the drawing, the 6 has 8 bolts like an 8hp, but Scotts motor has 6. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1621
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 05:24 pm: |
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Not absolutely sure of this-- from my notes
Early 5 Hp twin 12" Flywheel
6 Hp twin 13 " Flwheel
8 Hp twin 14' Flywheel
12 Hp twin 16" Flywheel
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searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 227
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 02:42 pm: |
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I bought these Motorgo exhaust and intake manifolds as a package thinking the were originally from the same two cylinder, 8 hp, engine. I can see from this thread that the intake manifold probably dates about the same as Scott's engine but the exhaust manifold must be much later. Any guesses as to the date of the exhaust manifold?
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 341
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 07:51 pm: |
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If the exhaust is from a L-A it is probably earlier. There was a man and his son with pictures of their 8hp L-A at Mystic, had individual cylinders. It's the only one I've ever seen. All of the enbloc 8's I'm familiar with had the integral manifold. My 12hp is indiviual cylinders, a similar manifold. Caille produced motors for Sears, they had an 8hp twin with a round manifold, seems they looked like this. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1624
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 11:50 pm: |
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I just recieved these copies of copies hope they are readable.
The Horse/Power typed Lockwood-Ash and MotorGo engines I believe are the same except L/A's were Brewster Green Color !
1914
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searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 228
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:18 am: |
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The manifold still has a little of the original battleship gray enamel on it. Maybe the two did go together after all.
Richard and JB, thanks for responding.
Richard, these are terrific illustrations. I am still having a problem with resizing photos but at least my last post produced photos that were big enough to see (photos in my posts of a month or two ago were too small to be useful). How many pixels in these images? |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 342
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 06:56 am: |
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Richard, do you have any pictures of an 8hp Caille twin? Those manifolds don't look like L-A, the ex doesn't have a ring on the back and the intake is made a little different. Thanks for posting the brochure, it will come in handy. I didn't realize that style 8hp was still being made in 1914, suprised I've only seen one. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1625
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 08:05 am: |
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J.B. I'll look for Caille !
This is from 1913 Lockwood Ash catalog
The 1 1/2 was Aluminum color !
1913
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1626
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 02:19 pm: |
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Searcher
How many Pixels in the above Posts ??
Several years ago when attempting photo emailing,printing and posting and worrying about pixels the process was very frustrating, I discovered a photo system by the name of( ACDSee )it was about $39.00 and maybe now the older versions can be dowloaded free? I have available at the click of the mouse the means to change the size In ( KB ) of a photo from a digital camera, scanner or recieved as an email, the limit on this site is 100 KB, the posts above average 80 KB. At the same time the option of a RESOLUTION from 150 up to 2400, the posts above are 150. The pixel count changes with the size and amount of color or text of photos but the ACDSee does it for me !The higher the resolution the more that the picture can be blown up to see details without distortion but it makes the image larger in KB -- an easy balance once You get used to the system . Hope this doesn't confuse the issue even more and I'm certain it won't pass muster with the Techies but its been working for me !!!
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searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 229
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:51 pm: |
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Thanks. I am also using ACDSee. I never had any problem posting large, clear images on this site until a short time ago. One of us in the office must have hit a key wrong and changed some obscure global setting that I cannot find. I just purchased Adobe Photoshop Elements 6 and will make the transition to the more powerful (and longer learning curve) software. I am astounded with what Photoshop can do. For instance, sometimes you have no choice but to take a photo of an engine where there is a really busy background that makes the subject ahrd to see. With Photoshop, you can totally remove the background and replace it with a background of your choosing. Sorry, I digress from the Lockwood Ash/MotorGo discussion, you know what getting a new toy is like. |
scott_n
Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 04:55 pm: |
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Hi Guys just wanted to thank all of you for all the information about my lockwoodash. JB. hit the nail on the head it is a 1910 I found an ad for it in a 1910 motor boat magazine and would like to share it with all of you.  |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1644
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 05:49 pm: |
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Scott
Is The " O " on the serial number really a " C " ??
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scott_n
Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 11:09 am: |
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Richard I cant tell it looks like it was punched hard I will bring the engine to Calvert |
Dave F
Visitor
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 04:55 pm: |
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Does anyone know where I can buy parts for a Lockwood Ash Model 68. Looking for a replacement cylinder. |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 933
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 09:44 pm: |
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No new parts are available, whats wrong with your cylinder? |
