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rlkretzmeier
Member
Username: rlkretzmeier
Post Number: 12
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 02:28 pm: | 
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Tis the season for goblins to haunt all things mechanical, including Palmer P-60's.
As part of the attempts to get it running, I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, coil wire and spark plug wires today. Being most careful to not get the wires in the wrong socket, I naturally messed them up, now it only backfires and pops.
Does anyone have the firing order, and the correct number one cylinder definition, as well as which terminal is number one in the rotor cap?
Maybe I should turn this thing into an anchor..
Thanks as always,
Bob |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 220
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 08:25 pm: |
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Bob, remove your distributor cap and your number one spark plug. Hold your finger on the plug hole and have someone bump the engine, note which way the distributor is turning. When you feel compression turn the engine slowly by hand and bring the piston to the top. The rotor should now be pointing to #1. The next in rotation will be #3,4, then 2. |
richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 317
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 08:52 pm: |
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No biggee. The number one cylinder in most marine engines start at the flywheel end. In the case of a V drive P-60 it is still the flywheel end although the flywheel is at the stern rather than the bow of the boat. The firing order is 1,3,4,2. Look on the flywheel face/rim for a chisel mark that indicates TDC. Mark it with chalk or marking pen to make it easy to see while standing on you ear in the bilge. Remove the spark plugs as it will be easier to rotate the flywheel. Rotate counter clockwise facing the flywheel with the cylinder block behind it. Look for the chisel mark on the top but forward face of the cast iron support rim over the flywheel for the engine. Mark it. You are now going to line up these two chisel marks on the firing stroke of the number one cylinder. To do this simply rotate the flywheel counterclockwise and hold your thumb over the spark plug hole in the no. 1 cylinder. as you rotate the flywheel as the piston comes up on the compression stroke you will feel air pressure from the cylinder. Continue to rotate until the chisel marks line up. Stop. If you overshoot back up about 45 degrees and bring it up slowly and stop without having to move it back and forth. You are trying to take up an lash in the gear drive train to the distributor. Take off the distributor cap and note which tower in the cap the rotor points points to. That is the number one cylinder. The distributor should be rotated if necessary so the points are just starting to open. This is easily accomplished by loosening the hex head cap screw along side the distributor and then rotating if necessary the distributor housing so the point are just starting to open. The points should be set to .018 to .020. Don't rotate the distributor unless absolutly necessary. When you do rotate it, back it up about 10 plus degrees and bring it back to just the points starting to open. Then Lock it Down. To determine the number three spark plug tower simply rotate the flywheel slightly in a counter clockwise direction watching the direction of rotation of the distributor rotor. You will instantly see where number 3 4 and 2 towers are.
It really doesn't matter that your engine spark plug wires are not the same exact location as another P-60 as that simply means your distributor drive gear is meshed differently from another. What does matter is you plug your wire in the towers that relate to your 1,3,4,2 firing order. Just follow the rotation from 1 around the distributor cap. Don't borrow trouble. |
Mark Livingston
Visitor
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:26 pm: |
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Hey, where can I get the copper head gasket? |
eddie
Advanced Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 31
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 09:54 am: |
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Mark,
Are you the one that cut one out of sheet brass about a year ago?
Eddie |
rlkretzmeier
Member
Username: rlkretzmeier
Post Number: 13
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 11:23 am: |
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Eddie,
It wasnt me that did the sheet brass head gasket..dont need that added to all the other stuff going on with Mr. Palmer.
Bob |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 957
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 11:58 am: |
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As far as I know there isn't any source for the copper head gaskets. Most people seem to use the steel/fiber one available through IH tractor suppliers. |
eddie
Advanced Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 32
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 12:07 pm: |
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Mark, Bob,
Some people say you must use copper in salt water. Others say that newer head gaskets for tractors hold up better than ones from years ago.
Eddie |
richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 323
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 08:01 pm: |
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Some months back I posted the name of a company in Norfolk that makes copper head gaskets. Don't remember the name of the company and tried to search for it under Palmer but couldn't find it.
Anybody remember the posting? |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 958
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 08:41 pm: |
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Dick sent this to me to be posted here, he is having "computer trouble"...
quote: F.H. Gaskins in Norfolk, VA. should be able to make the head gasket for the P-60 I don't have a Norfolk phone book, but information should be able to help (area code 757).
I just checked and they have a web site:
http://www.safetyvalve.com/
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larry_from_maryland
Senior Member
Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 181
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 03:55 pm: |
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Found another place that makes copper and composite gaskets WWW.lubbockgasket.com they seem to specilize in no longer made farm gaskets. |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 960
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 05:58 pm: |
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If anyone has success getting a copper gasket made for a P-60, please let me know or post the information here. I get a lot of inquiries about it and would like to know of a source I could sent people to.
FYI: I am going to move these threads to the Palmer category on the board soon. Please post to the cateory for the specific engine manufacturer if a category exists. |
