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andreh
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Username: andreh
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 01:16 pm: | 
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Hello,
New to the board and already a question: could anyone be so kind to provide me with the tuning specs (especially timing) for a 70-ish Chrysler 440 marine ??
Thank you for your attentiuon |
eddie
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 84
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 07:23 pm: |
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12 degees before top dead center. Spark plug .035. Cars with those engines were unusually hard on plugs. Platinium spark plugs helped remedy that situation. In recreational boats that might not be an issue. |
e_l_reid_sr
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Username: e_l_reid_sr
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 06:03 pm: |
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WHERE CAN I FIND A 440 REVERSE CAM? |
tahorover
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Username: tahorover
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 01:26 pm: |
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Used only , I've spent months looking for a new one. I even tried to spin the cam standard rotation and the crankshaft reverse rotation with a two gear drive. It changed the firing order. The gear set is from a Chrysler 413HD industrial engine.  |
e_l_reid_sr
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Username: e_l_reid_sr
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 02:13 pm: |
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if no new cam, where can i find a used cam for a reverse marine 440? {TAHOROVER} when you added the gears, was the firing order correctable or the motor never run right after that? [ [email protected]] |
tahorover
New member
Username: tahorover
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 02:31 pm: |
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Used cams are tough but not imposable to find.I have seen two on e-bay in the last five years and sold both for ~$300.00!
I tried a few different firing orders with the gears and had no luck. I had a few engine engineer's tell me it was possible to make it work, but it will take a great deal of math and a few hours with a cam degree wheel. I had no luck finding a 413HD RR cam or any specs. Very few were built.
I did find a company that would grind one from solid billet for 1200.00 and require a 350.00 set of roller lifters, but I went the cheap route just changed my Arabian's 440 to automotive standard rotation. |
e_l_reid_sr
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Username: e_l_reid_sr
Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 03:15 pm: |
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tahorover- did you just change the rotation in the trans? |
tahorover
New member
Username: tahorover
Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 03:38 pm: |
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Yes I had to flip the oil pump in the trans. It has a Paragon PV300, and a Velvet Drive will be the same. I also had to buy a left hand prop with the rotation change. You can remove the distributor thrust collar and run a modern distributor as well She puts out about 500 hp  |
mrpos
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Username: mrpos
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 04, 2006 - 09:41 pm: |
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I've used these people with great results!
http://www.deltacam.com/services.php |
Michael Compton
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| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 10:10 am: |
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Hi, the revirse cam and corasponding gears shouldn't be a problem. Sends your distributor in revirse rotation which is not a big deal either. the firing order 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 is used on the Dodge/Chrystler 413HD-3. Take out #1 plug, put finger over plug hole tightly (after disconecting the power to the coil), turn over motor until you feel pressure building (stop). Use a long screwdriver to feel piston through plug hole and rotate crankshalft until the piston is at the top of cylinder (stop). Look at position of rotor and mark. You have found position #1. Note dist rotation and follow firing order above. This is assuming your cam-gear and cam are a set (both revirse). |
Michael Compton
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| | Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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Hmm, an aditional thought here. 413HD motors were set to 5deg. BTDC. For your 440 you should also make sure that when your #1 pistion is comming up on its compression stroke that both valves are all the way closed. Otherwise you will need to change where the cam-gear meshes with your crank-shalft gear. If just changing the gears a cog or two won't remidy things you will need to drill a new alignment hole for your cam in the cam gear (which is where that degree wheel is handy). |
jimmer
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Username: jimmer
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 12:21 pm: |
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Has anyone a complete 440 crysler marine engine winterizing check list? It's my first year with this engine and I don't want to miss draining anything |
Dale E Heiner
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| | Posted on Friday, July 30, 2010 - 07:49 pm: |
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just bought a 440 rebuilt motor the motor ran great before putting it in the boat it had a reduction gear on it to begin with i put a tranny on it after putting in the boat to better match up with the v-drive an the drive line what my question is how can you tell if it is a left handed engine or right its usually stamped on block not in this case the only stamp is (R a bunch of numbers ) second question is when turning it over the gas is pushed up out of the carb blows out in a mist any clues here |
Keith Howard
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| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 09:28 pm: |
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Hello: I just purchased a 72 Century Arabian with a 330hp 440. I would like to know what heads, cam and compression ratio is in that motor. What would be some performance up grades for this motor with out running reliabilty.
Thanks |
chris morrell
Visitor
| | Posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 12:46 pm: |
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I just purchased a 75 Arabian that was supposed to be rebuilt, seems as though it was. My problem is that I am loosing oil into the cooling system (open) ant the wet exhaust. Is there an o ring or rubber collar in the head gasket set that would allow this to happen |
steve tew
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 03:08 pm: |
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I am looking for information about a boat I recently accuired it is a 1963 fairliner.It has twin engines and a sticker on the valve covers saying 250,and chrysler v8,these are gas engines any information about the motors or running gear in this boat would be appreciated thank you |
NCB
Visitor
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 09:36 pm: |
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iam getting fuel in oil pan on chrysler 440 Can anyone help |
ncbrewer
Visitor
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 09:48 pm: |
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Getting gasoline in oil pan anyone know answer to problem chysler 440's |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 543
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2013 - 10:08 pm: |
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Carburetor needle and seat leaking. filling the manifold and what ever cylinders have open intake valves. I am sure there are other reasons, but this one happened to me. |
ned_l
Member
Username: ned_l
Post Number: 12
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 12:20 pm: |
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bad mechanical fuel pump (marine fuel pumps are designed to drain any leaks into the crankcase - rather than to the outside like an automotive pump) |
Joseph R. Chavoen, Jr.
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2014 - 02:55 pm: |
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Chrysler Marine M440 1973 'Reverse Rotation" engine. Seriously need direction REGARDING the removal process of the THRUST Collar that as we know holds the Cam gear for the Distrutor in place. I need to remove that gear as my NEW oil pump ( which also has the Oil Cooler Face plate and line, is still not putting out oil pressure. With pump removed the shaft spins,,,yet under load of the pump it is not. After numerous test and tons of input from folks. I believe the shear pin has broken/bent for the oil drive shaft in that Cam Gear. I have been told it is only held in place with an O ring. Yet the Thrust Collar refuses to move. There are two oval port/holes in the Collar about half way down. Does it Really just Pull Up and OUT? Thank you for any advice. Have been dealing with for over a month. |
savage22
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Username: savage22
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 09:44 pm: |
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I have Chrysler marine 440 330's (1973). Does anyone no if it is ok to use the same real seal for the standard and reverse rotation engine? |
ldobbins
Senior Member
Username: ldobbins
Post Number: 167
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 11:15 pm: |
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Greetings,
The rear seal is generally the same regardless of rotation or automotive vs. marine.
The only real issue is IF you have are converting an automotive crank to marine rotation that HAS the diagonal serrations on the seal surface. If so, verify the direction of the serrations vs. desired rotation to ensure that you are keeping the oil in and not pumping it out.
Cheers,
Lew |
fireproofed
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Username: fireproofed
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 08:15 pm: |
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Hey guys just back on site here! tryin to get my raw water lines hooked up on motor. There were no hoses when I got it. I cannot seem to find any info. Does any know how the flow is supposed to go?? I do not have an expansion tank. only the d55 dual inlet and outlet pump. motor is dated 10/71. How about any pics of where hoses should go?? Motor is a 440 330hp. I have the full inlets through the pump. the larger outlet to the side of timing cover and the smaller 1" to the oil cooler on port side. when it exits the oil cooler I am stumped...no idea from there..?? also 2 outlets on tstat housing?? Can u guys help me out... |
Mel Johnston
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 04:30 pm: |
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I have a Chrysler Marine M440. The coolant (glycol) pump is trashed! Does anyone know where I can locate a new/used/rebuilt one? It is a Sherwood Pump A 09 R It has three ports - one in and two out. Have had no luck with PENTAIR (Sherwood), or MPS Info.
My boat is "dead-in-the-water" without this pump so any help would be greatly appreciated. |
ned_l
Advanced Member
Username: ned_l
Post Number: 32
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 04:43 pm: |
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What do you mean by "completely trashed"? There really isn't much that isn't rebuildable about those pumps. As long as the bronze castings are OK they can be rebuilt. -- New bearings, seals, impeller, etc. Even the shafts can be replaced. |
Mel Johnston
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - 08:04 pm: |
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I like the advice that it is re-buildable.
The experienced mechanic who took it apart didn't think it could be. At least not so that he could assure me it would operate efficiently. After the bearings started to go(unbeknownst to me while merrily motoring down Trincomali Channel) the shaft then started to 'wobble' and the brass impeller started damaging the brass surface as well as the impeller. If I can't find a pump, where would I find an impeller? Don't get me wrong, I would love to have the option of re-building, so will look into it locally. Meantime, I'll also keep looking for a replacement. Thanks for getting back to me. Mel |
spinfur
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Username: spinfur
Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 06:25 pm: |
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My Sherwood D20 three hose Freshwater Recirculating Pump is kaput! These pumps sometimes have A-09-R stamped on them. I need one, or a suitable replacement, desperately! This pump goes to a 1969 Chrysler 300 M440 V8 engine. See attached photos. I can provide additional photos if you'd be so kind to contact me using my e-mail address. Any pertinent advice or direction will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.     |
spinfur
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Username: spinfur
Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2016
| | Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2016 - 02:26 am: |
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Hi,
We finally found assistance with Van Ness Engineering of Ridgewood New Jersey.
http://www.vannessengineering.com/
Dave Van Ness was a tremendous help. He is easy to talk to, and bent over backwards to assist us in getting our freshwater pump problem resolved. He is an expert in Old Chrysler Engines. Call 201-445-8685. You'll be glad you did!!! |
kraus
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Username: kraus
Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2018
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2020 - 02:07 pm: |
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hello need help on a 440 m 1972 mopar am needing a timing chain kit. the reverse std rotation is problem for me to identify. the crank rotated clockwise the cam goes counter clockwise. is gear driven sprocket with chain.have been told that I need proper kit to fit existing rotation. have been told that reverse rotation engine was gear driven ie. no chain.don't know what to believe.thanks |
ldobbins
Senior Member
Username: ldobbins
Post Number: 229
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 12:24 am: |
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First, there are many different schemes for reverse (or traditional marine) rotation. I just finished a 1970 Chrysler 440 marine engine (M-440). It is a marine or right hand rotation. That being said, in forward the prop will turn clockwise as viewed from behind the boat looking at the transom. This is opposite of normal automotive rotation. Thus the crank shaft is spinning the opposite direction of a car engine.
If you have a left hand prop, or the prop spins counter clockwise, when in forward, as viewed from behind the boat, then you have an automotive rotation engine and no problems with parts or services.
Chrysler achieved this is a smart way. The engine is basically stock automotive hardware EXCEPT for the starter, cam shaft and oil pump/distributor drive/idler shaft. The starter turns backwards. The camshaft is a marine cam to produce valve timing for the reverse rotation crank. Again, the idler shaft is DIFFERENT than the automotive version but it drives the oil pump and distributor in the same rotation as automotive. So all parts can be purchased from an automotive parts store for rebuilding the engine as long as the parts I mentioned are not replaced.
You mention the timing gears and chain. The stock cam sprocket was a nylon over metal gear. This was called a silent sprocket. Replace it with a common double roller "bike" chain and sprockets.
If you are having your cam shaft reground, tell the shop it is a reverse rotation, marine cam!
How does this sound? Make sense now? Please feel free to email me or contact me here if you have any questions.
Cheers,
Lew "The left coast Sterling Guy" |
kraus
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Username: kraus
Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2018
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2020 - 10:31 am: |
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thank you for your reply the problem is the motor is out of boat so cant check by prop rotation.reverse went it is a pv41r paragon pulled motor but had no idea of rotation being a factor for parts. going thru motor gaskets etc. found that timing chain has the high side of 3/4 in. slop.should replace it.the reverse vs standard rotation has got me wondering. don't know if I need marine reverse or standard timing kit or if that's even a problem.maybe 440 car kit at napa works just don't know thanks again |
ldobbins
Senior Member
Username: ldobbins
Post Number: 230
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2020 - 10:29 pm: |
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The timing chain and gears for that engine are the same for either rotation. It is a normal automotive set. As to determining the rotation out of the boat, the firing order of the distributor would tell you and the rotation of the starter. A standard marine rotation for that engine (right hand rotation) will have your flywheel, when looking at it from behind or at the rear of the motor, will be a clockwise rotation. Thus, your starter will be counter clockwise rotation. Fire up the starter and look at it. That should tell you.
But again, the timing cam and crank sprockets and chain are standard regardless of rotation on your engine.
Are you doing a complete overhaul with boring and pistons etc?
You may wish to purchase some of your parts from 440 Source in Carson City, NV. My bearings, pistons and rings came from Summit as well as a new aluminum Edelbrock intake manifold. The stock pistons are not available so we bumped the compression up a little and used a great set of Speed Pro aluminum pistons.
You can purchase a new high volume oil pump but will have to swap the bottom casting of the pump with the old one as it has the inlet and outlet for the engine oil cooler as well as the oil filter boss. But as I stated the other day, the distributor and oil pump rotation is always normal automotive so easy to deal with.
Cheers,
Lew
The Left Coast Sterling Guy. |
rocker
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Username: rocker
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2021
| | Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2021 - 04:58 pm: |
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WHAT SIDE SHOULD BE RH AND LH FROM REAR OF BOAT?
IT MAY HAVE THE STARTER MIXED JUST BOUGHT AND THEY WONT START. |
