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seamarine1917
New member
Username: seamarine1917
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2017
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2017 - 05:41 pm: | 
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Hello All,
I'm trying to get more info and possible prints about the 220 hp gas engines used aboard submarine chasers during World War I that would manufactured by the Standard Gas Engine Company. I'm sure there has to be some originals that also exist out there correct? If an original is found, how much could they go for? This is for a project in making a replica of the US Navy's SC-1 class submarine chasers during the Great War. Finding an original (3 of them) would help reduce some costs and avoid having to make a complete reproduction. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm hoping to get this project done for a 100th anniversary run over the Atlantic to the stations our navy's submarine chasers were based in Ireland, England and France.
Thanks in Advance!
Rick |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2017 - 10:00 pm: |
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The chasers were used in salt water, probably raw water cooled. I doubt if any that saw service survived, salt destroys the cast iron cylinders. If there are any remaining they were fresh water engines or engines that happened to see stationary duty. |
seamarine1917
New member
Username: seamarine1917
Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2017
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2017 - 11:32 pm: |
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jb castagnos,
By then is was not cast iron, but cast steel construction. I'm sure there has to be some that exist out of the hundreds made not just for WWI service, but also into the 1920s. Anyone also able to provide sources to obtain prints in the event I might have to get them reproduced? |
robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 860
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 - 12:09 am: |
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You need to ask Doug Charles about the Standards. I'll mention this to him. |
jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2017 - 08:40 am: |
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Learn something every day, I didn't know cast steel didn't corrode. |
jed_clamp
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Username: jed_clamp
Post Number: 15
Registered: 09-2010
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 09:02 pm: |
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I'm keeping a list of known Standard Motor Construction Company engines. None of the 220hp engines are known to survive other than those lost at sea. Same goes for the other types of six cylinder engines. Here is what I know of so far.
One subchaser auxiliary generator at Coolspring Museum.
One incomplete subchaser aux generator in England.
One 20hp four cylinder type f marine engine ( type f is the heavy enclosed design that the company started with)
One 12hp two cylinder type f marine engine.
Three known 25hp four cylinder "auto marine" post engines.
One more of the same type unconfirmed. May just be one of the others, so I put the list at seven at this time.
Also two or three one cylinder Standard cars from around 1904. Cars are even harder to track down!
I think more 25hp auto marine type post engines may pop up as they are small and light for the era.
Always looking for more info on Standard.. |
jed_clamp
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Username: jed_clamp
Post Number: 16
Registered: 09-2010
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 09:12 pm: |
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Somebody else can chime in on how many known Empire engines. Empire was the Riotte brothers company before Lewis Nixon entered the picture to help form the Standard Motor Construction Company in 1901. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3983
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 12:04 pm: |
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Riotte Empire
Has the two terminal Riotte patented igniter.
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3985
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 01:14 pm: |
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seamarine1917
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Username: seamarine1917
Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2017
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 - 03:13 am: |
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If anyone has info or plans to share on this post about the 220 hp Standard gas engines please post them here. Since it appears none remain, it looks as if one might have to be recast out to create 3 replica motors. Please post only info or plans on the 220 hp Standard gas engines only so we can remain on this particular subject thank you. We seem to be going off topic with smaller marine gas engines. |
giii
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Username: giii
Post Number: 29
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 - 09:36 am: |
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Yes, it is a shame to learn too much. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 865
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 08:34 pm: |
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Look on the bright side seamarine1917, with every post your thread gets bumped and therefore remains current and is seen by more people who may have the info you want, instead of disappearing into oblivion.
Have you looked up Doug Charles who is the reigning expert on Standards? He has posted on this site in the past; did you do a search? |
seamarine1917
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Username: seamarine1917
Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2017
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2017 - 12:09 am: |
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Doug Charles recently reached out to me on this project via email, but I guess I needed to get permission for use of some documents by Todd Woofenden in order to recreate these engines. Last communication was on April 21st. I have reported that Todd Woofenden granted permission along with a copy of Todd's reply, but haven't heard back since. I sent a second email to him earlier today to check if he got my previous email. That's about as far as I got thus far. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 870
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2017 - 05:44 pm: |
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In light of the help you have received, perhaps it would be nice to explain a bit further who you are and what you are doing with this information? |
seamarine1917
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Username: seamarine1917
Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2017
| | Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2017 - 06:41 am: |
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Got a huge amount of info to help get these engines made now thanks to Todd Woodenden. I have yet to hear back from Doug Charles however who seems to have dropped off the face of the map. Robert, the info is to be used to reproduce the non-existent 220 hp Standard reversing gas engines to be installed in a replica of a WWI era US Navy SC-1 class submarine chaser. A boatyard has already been selected to take on the job of building her. |
