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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 08:10 pm: | 
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Butch Lambert sent these pictures.
Does it look familiar to anyone ?
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Ernie
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:06 pm: |
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If thats the timer in the can behind the engine I would guess as maybe a Watertown. They had a timer that had a handle like a valve handle to twist and release the timer so it could be moved. |
Butch Lambert
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 07:29 pm: |
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I believe that the handle is part of the timer. Who knows about the Watertown? It turns over easy and feels like it has compression. Thanks for all the help. Butch |
Bruce Hall
| | Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 03:48 pm: |
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There are two or three Watertown engines on display at the Antique Boat Museum in Clayton NY. I agree that this sure looks like a Watertown. A cousin of Watertown Engine Co is Smith Electric Co which was a Watertown NY company .There is a Smith Electric badged engine ( resembles the Watertown) also in the Antique Boat Museum collection. Clayton NY is a half hour drive North of Watertown NY on the St Lawrence River for those unfamilure with this fine museum. look at www.abm.org. I've been unable to locate any Watertown Engine Company information in Watertown NY library or museums to date. |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 11:42 am: |
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I am aware of only 3 mfg's with the wooden knob timer handle, Watertown, Smith electric, and another Co. in Rome N.Y I believe named (Paradox)
that I can't find now, although i've looked.
the watertown's waterpump is suported by the rear crank flange not the cylinder, the exhaust/intake is different. The smith is a watertown but i have seen the w/pump attached to the cyl of one somewhere but can't find it either. I'll search for the Paradox??? Eng is probably an earlier or later version of one of these ?? That narrows it down ??
The base on the above eng looks like it was adapted to stationary use ??
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butchlambert
| | Posted on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 08:00 pm: |
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Richard, the timer handle and knob is metal. The timer looks nickel plated and the cyl. appears to be plated or something as it has no rust. It has 8 headbolts. Is there anything I can photo to help you? Regards Butch |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 10:18 pm: |
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butch
the watertown above is one of mine it's knob is wooden (like the old ones on the old steam eng valves and oilers), others may have been metal
maybe some one will comment on that??
Your pictures for I.D purposes are just fine, their clear and show all sides.
Collectively this site is a vast source of experience and knowledge on these old engs, but there were hundreds of eng makers in first decades of the 20th century, and putting a name to every one is a difficult task. Most collectors have a few that are as we have termed them the "Unknowns" . As research continues, new material, books and catalogs appear we will put names to more of them.
Do you have any history at all on the eng, where it was used etc ?? |
butchlambert
| | Posted on Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 11:03 pm: |
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Richard, this motor came from the estate of a friend that lived in central Okla. He owned a huge oilfield motor rebuilding service for years. He was the first member of the benchrest shooters hall of fame. I was there to purchase his collection of old ammo, reloading supplies, and tooling. His wife gave me the motor. I will talk to Bonnie, but think that she knows nothing. Maybe she can put me in touch with some of their former employees to shed a little light on the subject. Regards Butch |
Ernie
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 07:34 am: |
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Richard,
On the Watertown I had the timer handle was metal. It was slightly dished and had a rounded knurl around the edge. It's almost 20 years since I got rid of the engine and I don't remember much else. Other than it's water pump was missing. However from what I have seen the little ones the pump mounted to the cylinder.
There is a lot of cobwebs between now and what I remember. |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:39 am: |
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This is the Smith Electric with the pump bolted to the cyl (file photo).
I reviewed the pics from Clayton and as Bruce said above, there are watertowns and smith electric there, they look like the green one in above post??
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 08:45 am: |
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Ernie
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 10:14 am: |
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The rusty one looks like the one I had. I sure wish I had kept it. The whole thing wasn't even a foot tall. It even had a tag. Nickle plated if I remember right. |
Richard Day
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 10:30 am: |
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I have a 2 cylinder Loyd from Morristown, NY. It had a turned wooden handle for the timer control. Unfortunately the wooden handle is the only part missing. I have a Cady of Canastota with a wooden handle on the end of the timer adjusting rod. This handle is the same shape as the pictures in the early Motorboat magazines. Thought I would add these two additional engines with wooden handles. Does anyone have anything on the Valentine engine. I have one and only one tiny Motor Boat add showing a Vallentine. So small its hard to even make out what it is. |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 12:07 pm: |
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Dick
This excerpt is from the 1913 Marine eng mfgr's index list. Grayson lists them in his book and says that they advertised in 1908 ??
I'll look and see if I can find something !
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richarddurgee
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 12:45 pm: |
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This the Rome N.Y. eng with flat knob timer handle, "Paradox" 1909
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Richard Day
| | Posted on Monday, March 01, 2004 - 03:45 pm: |
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Thanks Dick. |
Butch Lambert
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 07:47 pm: |
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I guess that we are saying that it probably is a smith electric? What is the lever above the carb for? Thanks for all the excellent input. Butch |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 08:43 pm: |
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Im not ready to put a name to it just yet! the construction of the cylinder is different??.
It's my thinking that most of the Smith electrics were made for them by Watertown. It may be that at one time Smith may have bought engs from another supplier other than watertown ???
Bruce Hall jogged my memory today,that the Gillespe- Boynton engine Co.of Newburgh N.Y. took Watertown over, and I need to see if I can find some info or a picture of one their engs.
Harry Buck brought a Gillespe -Boynton to Calvert 1, maybe have that pic in files . |
Butch Lambert
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 08:53 pm: |
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Richard, you guys are great. Butch |
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