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Kjell �ke Persson
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Username: early_iron
Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 08:03 am: | 
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Hello! Is there a way to fint out how old av Bosch magneto is ? |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 12
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 09:28 am: |
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Does anybody know when American Bosch stopped using "the Red D***l" as their sign or logo ? |
Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 744
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 01:12 am: |
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I believe Splitdorf used that logo and that Bosch may have perpetuated it after taking over while they continued to produce some Splitdorf models. I could be wrong about that; you probably should ask over on Smokstak. What is the model number on yours? |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 01:40 am: |
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BA 1 ED-19 |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3856
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 12:59 pm: |
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In many years of collecting Old Marine Engines I had never seen one of these BA Bosch magnetos, a few weeks ago this little Carlyle Bud-E twin showed up and I researched the magneto and found very little information.
I have a copy of original 1915 catalog with this magneto and engine, it is also the smallest Bosch magneto made ?
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Kjell �ke Persson
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Username: early_iron
Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 01:48 pm: |
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George Coates III
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Username: giii
Post Number: 17
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 08:26 pm: |
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Since it says Made in USA it is after the start of WWI when the US took over the German Bosch plant in Massachusetts. The BA were a series of 'miniature' magnetos primarily used on small motorcycles but also found applications on other small engines, mostly one cylinder units. |
RichardDurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3857
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 10:20 pm: |
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This article says Bosch US first mfgr was 1912 ?
http://www.bosch.com/media/com/bosch_group/history/documents/firmenchronik/Bosch_History_at_a_Glance.pdf
This 1915 ad shows the BA bosch, the Bud-E came with copies of original catalogs dated 1915 same photo as in ad below.
I stopped searching the early American Bosch magnetos and trying to put a date on each mag, just no adequate verifiable original dated material-- so far ??
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George Coates III
Member
Username: giii
Post Number: 18
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 10:54 pm: |
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Yes, the German Robert Bosch established a Springfield plant in 1912 manufacturing as Robert Bosch to avoid shipping and import tariffs. After the war broke out the US government took the plant and the name 'American Bosch' was used for many years to differentiate from the German Bosch. I trademark changed at the same time from 'Fritz the Flyer' to the 'AB'. The early BA seem to have been made in this era as some are marked Bosch and some American Bosch. Bosch numbered magnetos sequentially and 1,000,000 was in 1911. That is all I know since I have slept since I learned it. |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 12:20 am: |
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My magneto does'nt have any name on it, only two marks with The Flyer or what he is called. |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 19
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 06:00 am: |
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Hello again !
1919 seems to be the last year.  |
George Coates III
Member
Username: giii
Post Number: 19
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 07:48 am: |
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Oops! Was looking at Richard's magneto! |
Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 745
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 10:58 am: |
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Thanks for straightening things out George; it is "the Flyer" that Bosch used in their adverts.
Splitdorf had their own fella!
http://www.antiquefurnitureforthehome.com/png/350747446554_1.jpg
A quote from Robert Bosch: "I don't pay good wages because I have a lot of money, I have a lot of money because I pay good wages".
Some info on the BA1/BA2 (1 cylinder vs. 2 cylinders?) here:
http://www.oldcroak.com/robert-bosch/ |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 20
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 11:33 am: |
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I was wrong.....The Flyer was with Bosch until 1929-1930 but I still don't know when my magneto was made -and where. When I know that I'm getting closer to solve my problem. |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 21
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 04:47 am: |
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Can anyone tell if mr Durgees magneto is older than mine or the opposite ?
Is mine made in Germany or USA ? |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3858
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 07:29 am: |
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Bosch BA-2 Serial # 3216512
Bosch BA-1 Serial # 3357015
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George Coates III
Member
Username: giii
Post Number: 20
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 07:46 am: |
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To my knowledge, all German Bosch made in USA are stamped Bosch New York and all American Bosch are marked USA somewhere. The early German Bosch are marked Germany. I believe that American Bosch continued with sequential serial numbers as did German Bosch as they continued to be a prolific builder for the remainder of WWI and beyond. |
Kjell �ke Persson
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Username: early_iron
Post Number: 22
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 10:18 am: |
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.....and my little fellow have non of these markings......sigh!
Got a german copy of a BA1 instruktion manual and it does not look like mine on the outside.
Thanks anyway to The magnetoguys. |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 23
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 10:21 am: |
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.....and my little fellow have non of these markings......sigh!
Got a german copy of a BA1 instruktion manual and it does not look like mine on the outside.
Thanks anyway to The magnetoguys. |
RichardDurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3861
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 01:36 pm: |
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BA-2 serial number 3216512
Says patented, I looked at US patent records briefly and could not find it ??
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Kjell �ke Persson
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Username: early_iron
Post Number: 24
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 03:36 pm: |
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Same side on mine
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Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 749
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 10:28 am: |
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Could it be that Bosch supplied mags without obvious markings for the Scandinavian market, or parts of it? Things German weren't too popular in Denmark for example, after the little disagreement over Schleswig-Holstein!
But more to the point, are we sure this mag is original to the Gray engine, and if so, therefore came supplied from the USA? Or was it fitted in Sweden, either by a/the Gray agent, or just someone who owned the engine at some point? |
Kjell �ke Persson
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Username: early_iron
Post Number: 26
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 03:17 pm: |
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I don't know if Gray had any agent in Sweden/Norway before WWII after that we have several Gray Phantoms but before I have'nt heard of anyone. Perhaps someone on the forum knows if they were represented in scandinavia ? Before WWI german Bosch were common during and after SEM was the only alternative.
One more odd thing is the 7 ft long propellershaft the propeller, shifthandle and everything around that is original Gray if it was taken home with an returning swede why carry that stuff all the way ? He could easily get that here. |
Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 753
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 10:08 pm: |
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So the prop and shaft are marked "Gray" somewhere? |
Kjell �ke Persson
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Username: early_iron
Post Number: 27
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2016 - 05:59 am: |
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Do You know where I should look for marks or do You know about some pictures or drawings that I can compare with ? |
Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 757
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2016 - 10:59 am: |
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Around the propeller hub is the obvious first place to lock, but I understood your post at 3:17pm to mean that you had already found Gray markings on those parts(?) |
Kjell �ke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 29
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Friday, September 09, 2016 - 11:24 am: |
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I'm sorry if I have misled You, never ment that.
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Kjell �ke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 51
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 07:29 am: |
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Hello. If anybody interested I have an imstruction book for the BA-1 magneto on a PDF too big to post here.Its an american version from 1921 or earlier |
Kjell �ke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 52
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 08:15 am: |
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Kjell �ke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 53
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2017 - 09:40 am: |
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My mag is US made 1914 or earlier |
Kjell �ke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron
Post Number: 54
Registered: 08-2016
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 02:53 pm: |
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AB = American Bosch |
