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ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 2300
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2016 - 02:11 pm: | 
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Palmer B look alike.
The dimensions are even the same. The skid I put it on was made by my Dad made many years ago for a Palmer B. The bolt holes lined up exactly.
All of the Palmer Model B engines were make and break ignition, the Sylvester is jump spark. This appears to be the only difference.
Someone had installed a belt driven gear pump for cooling which was not original so I removed it. In one of the pics above you can see the pulley behind the flywheel that drove the belt drive pump. You can also see the original eccentric from the piston pump behind the big pulley.
Hopefully there are some pictures somewhere.
I posted some pics of this engine here a few years ago. I now own it and eventually would like to get something close to original for the water pump.
You tube click here
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robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 730
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2016 - 05:39 pm: |
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Is it possible Sylvester bought them from Palmer and just re-badged them? |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2301
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2016 - 06:03 pm: |
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Robert
There are differences in fact quite a few so I doubt that was the case. Specifically the connecting rod is completely different than either style that was used by Palmer. Additionally this is similar to the late style Palmer B with an early style flywheel. Palmer only used the 4 hole flywheel on the Model B engines till about 1900.
Then of course the jump spark ignition that Palmer never used on the B, C, D and E engines.
Please note that I state at the top "I doubt".
Ernie |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2302
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2016 - 06:24 pm: |
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Here are some pics of a 5 HP that I think Blair posted on Harry's a while back.
I read the tag as 5 HP which would have been a Palmer Model D.
Note the boss for the water pump/ignitor has been ground off.
The exhaust appears to be out the port side. The Palmer engine like this one had the exhaust out the aft face of the cylinder.
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bgoss
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Username: bgoss
Post Number: 238
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2016 - 08:55 pm: |
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Great find Ernie. Nice to see it running great too. I believe that Sylvester Mfg Co. came after Sylvester Bros., but I'll have to look that up to see if I have some literature to back that up.
By the early 1900's Sylvester was making all kinds of farm equipment including stationary engines, so I fully expect that they made these in-house as well.
Thanks for sharing,
Blair |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2303
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2016 - 08:20 am: |
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Thanks Blair any info will be great
Oops I forgot the front view pic. Once I remove the belt drive water pump pulley the flywheel will move aft and the bolt in the front of the crankshaft will be gone and the traditional gibb key will be put back
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3851
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2016 - 01:36 pm: |
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I struggled for a long time trying to ID these
Canadian marine engines, and describe them to a data base but many of them were almost like but not quite like the American mfgrs that we are familiar with. A brief explanation is not the makers of these engines but the politics and economic philosophies of Canada. Industrial embargoes of not allowing US made products into the country were staunchly in place from late 1800's to well after WWI. The need for marine engines created a situation were Canadian mfgrs wanted to increase this market and US mfgrs could not export their engines across the Canadian border, So Canadian and US companies got together
to skin this cat by using US patents and rights
to produce in Canada and they mfgrd many of the engines in Canadian foundries and machine facilities and therefore the differences that are hard to explain !
Data base has 134 Canadian made marine engines from late 1890's to 1940, I would guess the 75% were as a result of the above explanation ??
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bgoss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 239
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2016 - 07:08 pm: |
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Hopefully this link works. It's a good read. I would hope that the dates and facts are solid since it was written through a local university.
http://www.erudit.org/revue/hstc/1984/v8/n2/800192ar.pdf
A small portion:
"The name of the firm was changed in 1886 to Sylvester Brothers
Manufacturing Company when Richard's brother, Robert, superintendent
of the shops, became a partner. The Sylvester
Manufacturing Company was incorporated on 16 July 1902 to
manufacture, buy, sell and deal in agricultural implements,
pumps and windmills, boilers, engines and machines."
Blair |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2307
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - 09:58 am: |
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Link worked fine
Thanks |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2309
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2016 - 08:04 am: |
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Here are pics of the Palmer and Sylvester sitting next to each other. The exhaust on the Palmer is the pipe plug on the starboard (right) side. The same as the Sylvester. The later model B engines had the exhaust out the aft face of the cylinder.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3852
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2016 - 01:01 pm: |
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Ernie, Thanks for photos,
It's cool to see them together !
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