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carm
| | Posted on Monday, February 23, 2004 - 10:05 am: | 
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Hello all, I am new to this board. I recently acquired a marine engine from an old friend. The data plate is missing. It is partially assembled and not stuck. He said it was a Palmer but does know the model. It appears to be a two srtoke with a spark plug at the top. A water pump is driven by the output shaft. It res4embled the model C picture on this site, but there are some differences. I would like to make it run again, any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. |
Ernie
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 07:45 am: |
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Hi there,
A picture will help. If you need assistance posting a pic you can e-mail it to me. You can take a look in the Palmer section of this web page. To do that just click on Palmer from the list on the front page. Also you can look at the pics from previous shows at Mystic and Calvert. If you find a pic of an engine that looks like yours just let me know which one it is. There are links to these pics on the front page as well.
Hope this helps
Ernie |
Ernie
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:15 pm: |
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Here is the note from Carm. From the Mystic pics he has a "Q1"
Ernie,
Thanks for the reply. It is just like the red one on page 2 of
the mystic show. Water pump and ignition are the same, I have a very
small cup and valve where the glass jar is though. IThe grease cups and
flywheel look the same. I cant see the carb, but mine is a big brass
Schebler. I have begun to clean some of the brass and steel. I have a
couple of Farmalls and Oliver tractors but this is my first venture
into the marine engine side of things. Looking forward to hearing from
you. I am trying to locate a digital camera for pics, I cant afford one
of those on a mechanics salary!
Carm |
Ernie
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:21 pm: |
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Here is the pic that Carm picked form the Mystic pics.
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Dick
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 07:29 am: |
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I believe that is my engine in the picture. I will be glad to give you whatever help I can, but certainly Ernie and Mr. Day are the experts on this. They have provided me with invaluable help!
Dick |
Ernie
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 07:31 am: |
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Dick,
Yes it is your engine. Your YT1 is on the right. |
carm
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 10:48 am: |
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Dick,
Thanks for the offer, I will be contacting you for help. I am really looking forward to the project. I will need some carb parts probably. |
carm
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 10:50 am: |
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Dick,
How hard is it to find carburetor parts |
Ernie
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 07:43 am: |
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Carm,
Considering where you live you should try to plan on attending the Antique Boat and Marine Engine Show in Calvert MD May 1 and 2. Be sure to bring your engine. If there is any chance at all to make it run I am sure one of us will assist you to make that happen. At the bottom is a link to the museum web page.
Hope to see you there.
Ernie
Calvert |
Ernie
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 07:50 am: |
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Carm,
Carb parts are easy. There is only 1 gasket in the carb and replacement floats are available from Otto Gas Engine Works which is in Elkton, MD. There is a link to Otto at the bottom.
If you look at the top of the float chamber you will see that there is a place for a gasket in the center. The best solution is to take the top to your local hardware store and find an o-ring to fit there.
Hope this helps
Ernie
www.pistonrings.net |
Ernie
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 07:53 am: |
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Andrew,
Help! In the 2 massages above the links don't work. However if I copy and paste them they work fine. Got any ideas what I did wrong? Or is it my system. There are several firewalls here where I work.
Thanks
E
Ernie, it isn't your system. I can't get the Calvert site to come up at all at the moment. I corrected the otto site link so that it works now. Andrew |
Dick
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 08:02 am: |
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Carm,
Ernie is correct about the carburetor - the O ring and the float are about the only things you need to worry about assuming it is in good shape otherwise. Mine has a 3/4" Schebler on it; I don't recall if there is a check valve or not (Ernie?). I have an extra 1" Schebler if you need it and if it would work on your engine - might be a bit big. Ernie is also right that if you take it to Calvert - they will help you get it working!
Dick |
carm
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 09:17 am: |
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I will definitely try to make the show, with the engine! Too the carb apart to clean it. Mostly seems on good shape except the air valve (I believe) is corroded to the point of mostly being gone. All else seems to be OK. Reading the Antique Marine Engine Tips article is very infvormative, I will definitely NOT be sisassembling the engine since it turns and has compression. I have learned a lot already from you all and cant wait for the show. I will just continue to clean the dirty parts and polish some brass. |
Ernie
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:21 am: |
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If you look at the air valve you will find that the center has a nut that will unscrew and you can remove the remains of the leather disc. I make now ones out of nylon.
Depending on the year the Q1 may or may not need a check valve. Most of them are 3 port engines and do not need a check valve. Does the carb mount on the cylinder or the crankcase? If it is on the cylinder it is a 3 port and does not need a check valve. |
Dick
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:47 am: |
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Ernie
What kiind of nylon do you use and where do you get it? And are you ever coming "out west" for a visit?
Dick |
carm
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:53 am: |
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The leather disc is virtually gone. The steel backup disc is badly corroded, has a small piece misssing in edge. The carb mounts to cylinder just below the water jacket. Please explain 2 vs 3 port, not familiar with these. |
carm
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:39 pm: |
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By the way, how does the ignition system work? |
Ernie
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 06:02 pm: |
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OK a smart a** answer....real good!
There is another page on this web site that has a good description on how to make a buzz coil that will work on these old engine. Or you can use a Model "T" Ford coil. If I have this backwards sombody correct me please. a model "T" Ford coil is hooked up as follows. Top side terminal to the timer on the engine. Bottom side terminal to spark plug. Bottom terminal (on the bottom) to batt plus. Engine crankcase to batt minus.
The other page for making a coil is below.
Hope this helps
Ernie
here |
Ernie
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 06:07 pm: |
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Dick,
Missed you at Mystic. What happened to your trip east? Contact me "off line" and lets see if we can get our schedules to match. I would like to see your stuff.
Ernie
by the way for you all that may have real great distances the "our west"/"out east" refreances are a whopping 100 miles. Gotta love the NE USA |
