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Andrew Menkart
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 33
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 09:38 am: | 
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I received this by email:
quote:Reading the forum listing Palmer Serial numbers. The article which is a fantastic job states that No complete Model E is Known to have survived.
There is at least one located in Newfoundland Canada. The engine is pretty well complete, turns freely but has water jacket issue. See attached photos
Max
Max, feel free to post other information in the message below. Thanks! |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3736
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - 03:19 pm: |
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A real Piece of old Marine Engine history !
Thanks for posting.
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Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 686
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 03:06 am: |
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Neat. Can we deduce the date from the serial number? |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2199
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 08:56 am: |
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Looks like a 1919 to me
Hope this helps
Ernie |
Andrew Menkart
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 35
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 08:58 am: |
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A note sent to me by email from Dick Day asking me to post it here:
quote:Palmer Model E Serial number 1409919 made in 1919. Seems very complete. Missing Cuff protector on the flywheel hub. The Coates could fix that water jacket like new and not risk destroying the engine.
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Andrew Menkart
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 36
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 10:50 am: |
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A new comment from Max:
quote:Recently I sent photos of my Palmer engine with the tag indicating that it was a E model. Further investigation of the engine makes me think that it is a D model with an E tag. The body of the engine has a definite D embossed on the casting about 2 to 3 inches above the crankshaft journal both on the front and rear. Also the letter D is stamped on the inside of the head and on top of the piston. The engine has a 5 inch and a 6 inch stroke.
In your article that spurred my interest in my old engine states that the Palmer Co. says that in 1907 that the Model E weighed 551 pounds and in 1917 it was down to 375 pounds. I was wondering, is it possible that in 1917 may have modified and rerated the Model D and started to sell it as an E , or do I have a model D that someone put an E tag on.
If I do have a model D with an E tag, I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused to you or any of the members of your club and readers. On The other hand I think that it may be possible that the Palmer Co. could have modified and re-rated the model D and sold them as an E model in 1917. This could explain how it was possible to drop the weight from 551 pounds to 375 pounds. Probably just another piece of the Palmer puzzle.
Max
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RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3751
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2016 - 11:09 am: |
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This is a 1907 Palmer catalog spec sheet
Big differences in weight, case measurements, height, diameter of flywheel etc Of D and E engines.
Each year there were changes in this engine and by 1915 catalog the D and E had almost identical measurements, The E weighed a few pounds more for the 6 inch piston and cylinder casting !
My Take is that with a 5" bore the engine is a D, the tag is original but was struck with the E letter punch by mistake as the engines looked virtually the same ?
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Andrew Menkart
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 37
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 12:55 pm: |
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Just out of interest this is a photo of a nameplate that I had in my files (maybe it was posted here before, I don't remember).
Maybe it was for sale on ebay previously? Looks like the photo I have is from 2003.
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