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Gray Marine - Phantom Six 104 Gear Ratio

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mgangell
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Posted on Sunday, September 20, 2015 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am trying to locate engine/boat information necessary to determine proper prop size. I have a 1948 Gray Marine Phantom Six-104 engine (out of the boat). A data table from Motor Boating magazine states this engine could have a 1:1.5 or 1:2 gear ratio. It is hard for me to crank the engine to see prop rotation. Is there another way to determine the ratio? Markings or numbers?
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jim g
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Posted on Monday, September 21, 2015 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can you post a picture? I work on a lot of these motors and can usually tell from a picture of the trans.
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mgangell
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Posted on Monday, September 21, 2015 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jim - Thanks for taking a look. I've attached a picture here.Phanom Six - 104
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mgangell
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Posted on Monday, September 21, 2015 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is another picture.Phantom Six - 104
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jim g
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Posted on Monday, September 21, 2015 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You have a 1 to 1 direct drive gear box. More then likely its a paragon trans. Its either an OKE or 1XE model. If you pull the cover of the trans and look at the drum up at the front edge Paragon will be stamped into the drum and it will have the model stamp there also.

Depending on the boat its going into it would probably run around a 12" diameter prop.

Also most of these engines were right hand drive. The only left hand engines they made usually went into twin engine hulls.
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mgangell
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Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 12:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jim - Thanks for the info! There was a 13 x 13 RH prop on the shaft. In addition, I found an 11 x 11 RH prop included with the boat. I don't know why a 11 x 11 would have been used. It's interesting that the Specs in MotorBoating stated that these engines came with either a 1.5 or 2 ratio. Looks like not in this case....
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jim g
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Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You could get different gear ratios to fit your application. If you were putting it in a 23 foot or bigger boat you would want a reduction drive. I have several Chris Craft 105 hp flat heads that have a 1.5 to 1 ratio that came out of a 40 chris craft cruiser. A direct drive would be for a runabout application and a reduction drive would be for a much heaver boat.
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mgangell
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Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Okay. That makes some sense. The engine is for a 17.5' 1948 Century Resorter. Thanks again!

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