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Louise Saint-Pierre
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Username: muse

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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another museum piece. Some says it is a pump...


Pump?



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Roger DiRuscio
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like a K2 Waterman to me
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Searcher
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a Canadian Fairbacks Morse forest fire pump. Put K2 into the search box and you will come up with quite a bit if inforamtion.
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Louise Saint-Pierre
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Username: muse

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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How do you use it on a boat ? . How come is it part of our collection (maritime museum...)? I checked the Fairbanks-Morse. It looks like it...
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Bruce Hall
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's used when the boat catches fire..
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Louise Saint-Pierre
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Most of those engines were given to the museum a long time ago without any infos . They have been in the storerooms for quite a while. We need experts like you to identify them. Thanks a lot.
Are you sure it is a fire pump?
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Bruce Goss
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes it is a firepump. It should have Fairbanks on it somewhere
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Roger DiRuscio
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These were also used as portable forest fire pumps.
I have had a couple over the years. It looks like your fuel tank has been changed from the rectangle ones I had
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Roger DiRuscio
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look on the frame lower right for the fair Banks Morse tag
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Louise Saint-Pierre
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Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you all for your help.
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miro forest
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Posted on Friday, March 13, 2015 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is an installation in a boat

http://windsorboatworks.com/new%20dispro/new%20dispro5.htm

There are several other pictures on a previous page

In addition, you can see one of these boats in action here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCpl-Vkjo3c

miro
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Louise Saint-Pierre
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Miro,
I saw the web site. I am a bit confused...Others said it is a fire pump, you say it is a marine engine ?(I would like it!).
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Roger DiRuscio
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Username: solarrog

Post Number: 593
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is more then one use for these engines, I have also seen them on generators. Yours is a fire pumper
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Searcher
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are two photos of my Fairbanks,Morse Forest Fire Pumping Outfit. One indicates the location of the identifying tag on the base, the other a closeup of the tag. You probably have a similar tag somewhere on your pump setup,maybe on the opposite side or perhaps it was lost. There should be four small screw holes where the tag was attached.

Your pumper is set on a base that is a little different than mine but not significantly so. I have a magneto on the exhaust side, your magneto may be on the opposite side, your base is a little taller. (The pump on mine is missing.)

It looks like the pump on yours is a bronze/brass gear pump used for high pressure, i.e., it would pump water a long distance through a fire hose and still have enough oomph left to provide a strong spray at the business end. The gear pumps on these are often missing for good reason. In a hurry to set one of these up in a stream or pond during a forest fire, sometimes the fine screen on the water supply intake hose was forgotten or lost. These gear pumps will not tolerate even fine sand for very long before the gears are too chewed up to provide the needed water pressure.

The gear pumps are very hard to find in usable condition (in any condition for that matter). At one point in my life, not being able to find a suitable gear pump, I thought I would adapt mine into a marine engine. It simply requires adding a timer, a small plunger or gear type water pump as used on most small marine engines, a marine type coupling for a prop, a base suitable for bolting to the bottom of a boat, and a few other doodads. As Roger said, these little engines have multiple uses including marine engines.
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Louise Saint-Pierre
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice! Unfortunately, there is no tag, no identification at all on ours.Thanks for the info.

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