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ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1959
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2015 - 02:27 pm: | 
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Keith's Waterman
The carbs aren't polished due to swapping carbs around to get good adjust-ability.
Note the gear between the engine and reverse gear. There is a hot rod starter buried under the engine. Just push the button and it starts.
Adjustable Hydraulic load. We just set it to the RPM Keith wants at wide open throttle then adjusted timing and mixture as needed.
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ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1960
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2015 - 02:32 pm: |
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 992
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2015 - 08:54 pm: |
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That's another beautiful piece from Keith's workshop. Can't wait to see how it performs in the boat. Just wondering, does the hydraulic fluid heat fast? |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1961
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 09:16 am: |
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Not that I noticed.
I felt the hoses in and out of the pump a couple of times and didn't notice a huge difference. I think the longest we ran it at wide open was maybe 5 min at a time over several hours. Once we got the adjustment on the carbs close it didn't need to be run long to check adjustment changes. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3462
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 12:52 pm: |
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Keith
An absolutely outstanding piece of work !
Had to put two pairs of sunglasses on just to see the details- that are just to many to list, the machined gear and couplings, bending those grease cup lines so perfect also has my attention and an electric starter ?? If it runs near as good as it looks I vote this one into The Old Marine Engine Hall of Fame.
Ernie Thanks for posts
Great stuff
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 427
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 01:00 pm: |
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Thanks to this site and the help of Ernie we are close on a final tune. One more session when he passes thru next month. I can make the parts and assemble, but am at a loss for debugging and tuneing for optimum performance. Since the engine is going in a 24' Long Deck Launch, optium performance is important. The engine will be under a hatch and virtually in accessible when under way. |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1962
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 01:53 pm: |
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It sure was fun getting it to where we did the other day. The topping on the cake was going out in the driveway behind it when it was running under load. It sure does sound sweet. It was also neat to get the mixtures correct and hear it clear out and run clean on all 4 cylinders.
I need to learn more about adjusting Kingston carbs so for now it has Schebler D,s on it. |
avaracins
New member
Username: avaracins
Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2014
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 11:06 pm: |
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That is a very nice engine. I am restoring a 25 foot 1923 wood launch and at some point I will need a period correct motor for it. So if anyone knows of a nearly complete restorable project let me know. I have a machine shop with an engine dyno and can handle almost any type of rebuild/restoration.}}} |
klanger
Senior Member
Username: klanger
Post Number: 62
Registered: 03-2012
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 03:52 am: |
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What a beautiful engine. Well done. |
keith_felder
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Username: keith_felder
Post Number: 13
Registered: 06-2012
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 09:49 am: |
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I'm glad to know you guys, your at the top of our sport. Besides all the smart stuff, you make some nice eye candy. Keith |
scott_n
Senior Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 239
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2015 - 07:56 am: |
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Sweet |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 608
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - 12:08 am: |
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I was walking down the street one day, and I saw an engine try to jump out the back of a truck. I would have saved it, but I didn't think it would shine up very nice.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3470
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - 11:14 am: |
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Very nice complete old engine !
Recently discovered that there's a special procedure to polishing one of these copper top engs---
It requires shipping it to Pennsylvania !
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 430
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - 01:47 pm: |
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Bill, That engine hasn't changed. It is still in the same clothes. The shinny one is one digit off. One is serial no. 1106 and the other is 1107. One came out of Wyoming and the other out of New England. One has 4 Ball Kingston carbs and the other has the Breeze (spelling?) carbs. The exhaust manifold is a larger diameter on the restored engine. Pipe size is the same, its just that the water jacket is larger.
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avaracins
New member
Username: avaracins
Post Number: 3
Registered: 07-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - 03:57 pm: |
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Bill, that motor needs to jump into the old launch that I am restoring. If you are thinking about selling it let me know or if you know where any other 1920's motors are hideing.
Thanks
Al |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 610
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - 07:57 pm: |
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Al,
You need to get to be friends of Keith or Ernie, they know where all the good ones are. All I ever end up with is a few Midwestern scrap engines.
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ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1973
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 03:02 pm: |
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Bill,
Funny I think the same about you.
You DO find some neat stuff!
All part of the fun with these old things
Ernie |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 788
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 10:00 pm: |
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Based on what you all have described, that engine knows that it OUGHT to behave - especially about getting the mixture set up right for the 2 pairs of cylinders.
And Ernie, you get a gold star too, for setting it up and getting it to run under full load without backfiring.
As others have said very good work done here.
As for the sound - it must sound like a purring kitten at speed and full load.
miro |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 789
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 10:14 pm: |
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Keith - a couple of questions:
Is the firing order 1342 ? If yes, then you are a wonder-worker at making that crankshaft.
Did you fuss with restrictors in the water flow through the system to get the cylinders more or less balanced?
Ernie - you simply HAVE to make a video of this one running
miro |
rbprice
Senior Member
Username: rbprice
Post Number: 499
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 08:15 am: |
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MAGNIFICENT, SIMPLY MAGNIFICENT -
Well done Keith and Ernie |
rbprice
Senior Member
Username: rbprice
Post Number: 500
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 10:01 am: |
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What does the large spur gear between the gearbox and the engine do? |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 432
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 02:22 pm: |
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Miro, The firing order is 1-3-2-4. I did modify the exit hole at the top of the water jacket. The originals were all the same. I went from .500 on the rear cylinder, .458 on #3, .416 on #2 and .375 on the front cylinder. With the pump on the front and common feed and dump piping, I thought it would help cool the rear cylinders. Until running the engine under load for an extended period of time and with the carbs adjusted we won't know if it was the thing to do.
Bob, The brass gear(9" in diameter) is the starter ring gear. The starter is tucked under the reverse gear. There will be a cover installed over the gear. |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 433
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 02:35 pm: |
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Here is a link to a youtube file. It was the first run. No water so it was only for a short time. Extremely rich on the mixture and no load.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veZksWbccI0&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688 |
richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 1112
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 02:54 pm: |
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Incredible job. I hope it travels to the spring show. Congratulations are in order. |
ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1977
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 06:57 pm: |
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Keith and I went out in the driveway aft of the exhaust when it was running under full load.
Lets just say it speaks with authority!
The purring kitten may have been in the house next door. Not sure as I couldn't hear it. |
rogerd
Member
Username: rogerd
Post Number: 29
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 07:07 am: |
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Richard. What is the polishing magic that you referred to that happens in Pennsylvania? Roger. |
rogerd
Member
Username: rogerd
Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 11:42 am: |
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Ok I figured it out. Was looking for some magic. |
foxman
Member
Username: foxman
Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 - 08:30 pm: |
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Hi Keith
The engine looks great. Looks like you will be the first in the water at the rate you are going.
Could you tell me what diameter the starting gear is and what sort of starter you mounted on it. I need a similar set up for the 3 cyl Elbridge I have in my 24 footer.
Thanks
Foxman |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 435
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2015 - 06:27 pm: |
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Foxman, The gear is 9 inches in diameter. The starter is a little chrome unit made for Street Rods. The one I have is for a V-8 Chevy. |
bcm
Senior Member
Username: bcm
Post Number: 61
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2015 - 10:03 am: |
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Stephen,
Regarding starter parts, I use Jacks Small Engines. They have a huge inventory and prices are reasonable.
Here is link to starter motors:
http://www.jackssmallengines.com/equipment/list/small-engine/Starters/
Here is a link to ring gears:
http://www.jackssmallengines.com/equipment/list/small-engine/Starter-Part/Starter-Rings/
Image is a starter on my St Lawrence single for right hand prop. This arrangement facilitates hand starting as an option. I also use compression relief.
Barry
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