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Peter Luce
New member
Username: piedrasyluz
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 07:11 pm: | 
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Hi there -
I will be pulling my Palmer P-60 this spring, and wanted to put advance notice out to anyone in need of parts. One cylinder is bad, or so I'm told, but there are all kinds other parts (many of which I don't even know the names of yet) that I will be posting. My plan is to "tag and bag", and post pics here - first come, first serve. I think the prize, the exhaust manifold, is in good condition, if it can be removed without damage. A lot of the other parts are relatively new (previous owner did a lot of work on it).
Before I go ape and break stuff unnecessarily, any advice on what not to do when I'm pulling the engine and parts? |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 319
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 06:22 pm: |
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The most important one is the one that you have already pointed out, the exhaust manifold. Other ones are the water pump, distributor, flywheel and the water hose fitting that sits atop the cylinder head at the aft end. All these items are peculiar to the Palmer engine and not obtainable from any source other than salvaged off of another Palmer P-60 engine.
Another notable part is the little brass thermostat housing that is in the water hose near the exhaust manifold. That item is worth over $100 and is also used on an Atomic4 engine.
Carbuerator is also the same as used on the Atomic4
Alternator is a common marine alternator.
3/4 inch hex head bolt holding on the oil filter cap might be kept as well as the 15/16 inch hex head cap and regulator parts under it that are on the lower aft port side of the engine. These items are relatively small and might be stripped off and save if scrapping the engine.
The rest of the engine is not really worth saving especially if there is severe engine damage |
David Grosse
Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 13
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2014 - 02:02 am: |
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Hello Peter, It's a long way from Maryland to SoCal, but I am always interested in parts for the Palmer 60. I recycle them. If you find that you have some to recycle, I would be happy to discuss price, shipping options with you. _David |
David Grosse
Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 16
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 03:12 pm: |
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I have a completely rebuilt Palmer 60 Marine Engine for sale in SoCal. It is priced at $3,500 and has been bench tested and has a video up on youtube.com Included in the rebuild are new pistons, rings, valves, reground crank and new bearings, rebuilt water pump, carburetor, distributor. It is a complete running drop in that was rebuilt for a client who bought a bigger sailboat instead. |
David Tersch
New member
Username: saltyred
Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 01:55 pm: |
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Hello,
@Peter- do you still have the exhaust manifold? I repaired one but a spare would be great to have.
let us know!
Thanks
David |
Peter Luce
New member
Username: piedrasyluz
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 02:28 pm: |
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Hi there everyone - I sold the parts that I pulled from my Palmer P-60. Thanks for asking and good luck - my Electric Yacht conversion is almost complete! |
David Tersch
New member
Username: saltyred
Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 02:37 pm: |
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Hi Peter,
what sort of electric motor did you go for? I was talking with some buddies about putting in one or two 600V 6kW marine motors in lieu of the Palmer at some point down the line.
Did you buy a kit, or was it all custom?
Thanks for sharing the details of your electric conversion journey,
-David |
Peter Luce
New member
Username: piedrasyluz
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 04:26 pm: |
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Hi David -
I bought a kit from Electric Yacht - the 10kw version with 400ah of battery capacity. Power curves give me roughly 50nm at 80% discharge at 3.5knots, more than enough for Chesapeake Bay weekend sailing. I'm on a mooring ball (no shore power) so I'm adding two solar panels for trickle charging, and I have a Honda 2000i for emergency backup. The Electric Yacht system is as close to plug-and-play as you can get. All told, its about the same cost as re-powering with a used diesel (assuming you do all the work yourself), far cheaper than re-powering with a new down-market diesel (Kubota, Vetus) installed by a marine diesel technician. Diesels smell bad, and I would have had to find one that fits my Islander, and would have had to replace the old gasoline fuel tank, and all the fittings, create new through-hulls, etc. and learn how to maintain a diesel engine. I have zero interest in all of that - I just want to sail. |
Kevin Wikar
New member
Username: capt_wik
Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 09:48 am: |
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I too have a complete P60 up for sale.
Complete inboard running gear for powerboat |
David Grosse
Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 19
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 10:44 am: |
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Kevin,
I am looking for several Sherwood E20 cooling water pumps for engines I have. Please let me know if you hear of anyone who has E20 pump bodies for sale. And, good luck with your engine sale.
-David |
Pete Risnes
Member
Username: windnwaves
Post Number: 7
Registered: 07-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - 03:50 pm: |
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I had my e20 water pump rebuilt and it is pumping great however nothing is coming out of the exhaust. Obviously there is a blockage soomewhere but I am unable to locate it. I've pulled all the hoses I can reach and blew throught them and all seems to be clear. There is one that goes from the pump to the block but I am unable to reach it. Any suggestions? Is there a way to flush it? |
Mackey mcmurtray
New member
Username: micmari
Post Number: 1
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2014 - 07:45 pm: |
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peter, i neen a cylinder head for my palmer p-60
eng # 80166-74 if yours is the same as mine i would love to take it off your hands micmari |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 330
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2014 - 10:24 am: |
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There are new after market cylinder heads that are available. They are for tractor engines and will need to have a 1/8 inch pipe thread hole drilled and tapped for the air bleed line |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 1101
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2014 - 03:50 pm: |
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Notes for the Palmer P-60.
The engine is basically the INT Harvester, Lo boy Tractor engine. C-60. I have read somewhere they made over 500,000 units. It is not the CUB CADET engine.
Many Lo Boys are now being junked and their resale value is not high. Most of the engine parts are available from Case/ IHT tractor dealers and aftermarket outlets. Don�t talk Palmer they will think you are nuts.
Palmer simply used the engine block by turning the radiator end toward the propeller drive. They eliminated the tractor governor, exhaust manifold, clutch and distributor. They made a cast iron crankcase for the engine. Made a flywheel end housing for the crankshaft seal and engine mountings. Kept the starter and oil filter unchanged from the tractor. The marine flywheel with ring gear was a Palmer supplied item. The tractor head water outlet was adapted as the cooling water return for the exhaust manifold. The water outlet is connected to the thermostatic control on top of the exhaust manifold. The water circulating pump is driven off the same gear drive for the distributor from the end of the valve camshaft. In the early years the generator was driven off the same gear shaft as the water pump and the distributor. The distributor is the same as on the WWII jeep engine.
In later years the generator was changed to an alternator with belt drive off the same shaft as the pump drive.
One point which comes up is the there is a tapped bolt hole in the head just above the Oil filter. Palmer would put a short length of threaded rod to blank off this hole. It was used on the tractor to secure the throttle rod support bracket. It only serve to confuse owners until they understand it has no function on the marine engine conversion. On should be alert to the 1/8� NPT thread in the head water jacket near the blanked off hole. This is a critical function item as it serves as the air/steam bleed for the head. It connects with the water jacket of the exhaust manifold to insure the head does not become air/steam bound. Keep in mind the engine is basically reversed in the marine application with the thermo syphon tractor radiator cooling function typically higher than the aft end of the tractor engine so the air bleed is not required. It must be cleared with compressed air once a season. If it becomes plugged the air/steam build up can destroy the water jacket of the head or cylinder walls.
The critical item is finding a good exhaust manifold. They are very hard to find and without one forget rebuilding an otherwise excellent engine. Note the oil fill/dipstick is the air intake for crankcase ventilation and it needs to have the screen in the handle cleaned from time to time. The valve cover is a Palmer supplied unit which connects to the carb intake screen with a short length of plastic tube. Air flow over the backfire trap creates a vacuum in the crankcase which is vented via the carb to the exhaust. The exhaust gaskets are standard tractor gaskets. The head gasket must be copper for salt water running. The tractor head gasket works fine for fresh water cooling.
Gaskets to go makes excellent gaskets and sells a complete overhaul gasket set for the P-60.
The crankshaft, pistons, con rods etc. are IHC The bushing for driving the OXKB reverse gear fits the crankshaft and the Reverse gear. There are reduction gear and V drive bolt on attachments for the P-60.
If you don�t have a good exhaust manifold forget rebuilding a P-60 is my advice!! |
Edward Hart
New member
Username: ejh
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 12:11 pm: |
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I am pulling a P-60 out of my boat. It may run, don't know. will sell
whole motor or parts. also have 2new head gaskets. 1 Fel-pro and
1 copper. and two Zenith carbs for parts. |
David Grosse
Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 27
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 12:28 pm: |
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Hello Edward,
I am interested in your engine parts. David's Yacht Service recycles Palmer 60 engines and we are located in SoCal. Particular parts of interest are the manifold and water pump, also the carbs and thermostat. If it were cheap enough, I could take everything, but if not I would buy all the above parts and shipping from Florida to SoCal.
Thanks,
David Grosse
David's Yacht Service |
David Tersch
Member
Username: saltyred
Post Number: 4
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 10:39 am: |
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Hi Edward -
Are you selling for parts, all-in one deal?
If you're selling parts please let me know as I would like the exhaust manifold, water pump, alternator and the starter motor.
Thanks for the reply and for posting! |
David Grosse
Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 28
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 02:35 pm: |
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David's Yacht Service has a fully rebuilt Palmer 60 Marine Engine for sale at a reduced price of $2,995. It has new pistons, rings, valves, reground crank and new bearings, and a custom blue and grey paint job. The engine is in SoCal and can be delivered to any SoCal marina or shipyard for your installation. There is a video posted on youtube.com of the engine running with sound. If you know of anyone who might be interested in purchasing this engine, please let them know or pass their contact to me by email.
Thanks,
David Grosse
David's Yacht Service  |
David Grosse
Advanced Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 01:37 pm: |
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The price on the re-manufactured Palmer 60 has been reduced to $2,750. This is a ready to go engine with a lot of new parts. The manifold and water pump (the hard to get items) are in excellent condition. send me an email if you are interested or want to know more about it.
David Grosse
David's Yacht Service
[email protected] |
kevin stone
Senior Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 60
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2014 - 02:44 pm: |
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I have 2 sherwood e20 pumps. Most likely need rebuilds. I am curious what they are worth to sell. |
kevin stone
Senior Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 61
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2014 - 02:47 pm: |
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Above pumps i also have new impellers for both, in unopened packages |
David Grosse
Advanced Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 33
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2014 - 03:41 pm: |
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Kevin,
What condition are the bearings, shaft, and seals? Without good, usable shafts, the pump casings are not worth much. I would offer you about $20 each with knowing their condition. The new impellers are probably going for $30 each, but unless you have good shafts and bearings, you can't use them.
If you have pictures, especially if they are dissembled, please send them direct to me at [email protected]
Happy Holidays,
David Grosse
David's Yacht Service |
kevin stone
Senior Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 62
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2014 - 06:43 pm: |
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David at the prices you say i guess i willhold on to them. I k ow how hard to get they are.
Thanks kevin |
David Grosse
Advanced Member
Username: davidg
Post Number: 34
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2014 - 11:42 am: |
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Remanufactured Palmer 60 for sale.
The owner of the Palmer 60 shown above in this thread has purchased a different boat. He is anxious to sell this engine, and has reduced the price of the engine to $2,300. It is available for pick up at David's Yacht Service by appointment. Extensive photo documentation was conducted of the re-manufacturing process. |
Bruce Burdett
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2014 - 09:50 am: |
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I, too, have a Palmer P-60 that is about to be replaced in Bristol, RI.
Here is an ad I posted on Craiglist. Would like to get a little for it but mostly interested in making it (and parts) available.
Palmer p-60 marine gas 4-cylinder engine for sale. Meticulously maintained engine is being replaced from our boat and will be available shortly. Ran flawlessly and smoothly this summer but discovery (undiagnosed) of water in oil this fall led to decision to replace with diesel. Engine only has about 500 hours and burned no oil this summer, always starting instantly. Mechanic said it's nicest looking one he has seen. Has original operator's manual. |
Peter
New member
Username: coors
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2015
| | Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2015 - 11:01 am: |
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Bruce did you sell your engine? Also I am looking for a good marine Manifold for P 60 does any one have one available? |
ronnie bu
New member
Username: ronniebu
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2015
| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2015 - 12:44 pm: |
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i need tune up parts for a palmer p-60 marine engine. where can i buy points, condensor, dist cap, rotar ? [email protected] |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 332
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2015 - 09:11 am: |
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Any good auto parts store will have or can get ignition parts with these part numbers.
Dist, cap: AL-134
Rotor: AL-150
Condenser: AL-111
Points: AL4556XP
Note that the Palmer P-60 ignition is NOT the same as on the International Harvester C60 engine
I highly recommend making a set of high performance, street legal, sparkplug wires (Accel, Taylor, MSD or the like ). You will need 45 degree angle boots at the sparkplug terminals especially at the aft most plug so as to go up and clear the water hose.
I had difficulty with your e-mail. Mine [email protected] |
