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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1733
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2013 - 10:48 am: | 
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Any ideas?
Bore 6 stroke 6
Large flywheel is 24 inches with marine style pull out crank handle.
Note odd spoke cross section in flywheel spokes
May have been advertised as reversible. Cams and ignitor eccentric appear to be easily adjustable.
I would guess total weight at 750 plus pounds.
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B. Goss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 205
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 07:34 pm: |
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Great engine Ernie! Is that the igniter pushrod that has the yoke around the intake? port? Throttle governed or hit/miss? |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1735
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 08:12 am: |
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Yes that is the ignitor pushrod.
It has no govenor and appears to never have had one so my guess is that it is throttle governed. |
Andrew Munns
Senior Member
Username: johnoxley
Post Number: 98
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 05:34 pm: |
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Can't see any governor bits in box. Marine engines often ungoverned as the propeller load is constant. They will idle depending on carby type. |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3107
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 07:24 pm: |
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Ernie,
Another really cool old engine without a name !
You have seen as many of these old engines as anyone I know of so when you see one you've not seen before its a rare one for sure !
There was probably less than ten eng mfgrs that made 4 cycle reversible marine engs, none of the small engs that I know of used cams to control, timer, ex valve and intake valve ?
The adjustable loop igniter rod is definitely a distinct design ! The only other eng with a looped rod that I can recall was the early Lozier.
Does it have a shaft flange or any indications that it is a marine engine ?
The closest looking engine to this one was the
" Portage " but to many differences to be a match?
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/1/251353.html
I'll look into all my data stuff ! GREAT FIND
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Andrew Munns
Senior Member
Username: johnoxley
Post Number: 99
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 08:22 pm: |
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So, an enclosed engine might be East coast USA. M+B ignition perhaps pre 1910 and no rust wedged block indicates an engine that has never seen salt water (fresh water, or like one of mine, a showroom engine).
Question - How is it started? Is that a segment of a kick starter gear in the box. |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1737
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 09:51 pm: |
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PIc 3 shows a portion of the flywheel rim with a marine style pull out starting handle.
The gear in the corner of the parts box is the crankshaft gear. The eccentric for the ignitor is in the upper left. The 2 long arms are the cam followers with rollers for the cams and pivot on the opposite side of the crankcase from the cam.
As to a kick starter this engine is kind of big for that. My guess is total weight between 750 and 1000.
I will have to look at the smaller flywheel to see if there is any sort of shaft or whatever coupling.
I keep thinking Automatic from Bridgeport, CT. They made reversible hoisting engines. However I just don't have any pics of their 4 strokes. Only a 2 stroke from the BYB |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3108
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 11:18 pm: |
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This ad Is only engine design in ads 1909-1913
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1738
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 07:35 am: |
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Yea that is what I have
However I remember an actual engine that was a 4 stroke single in a boat yard that was on a winch and was made that way. Maybe not Automatic but it was made in Bridgeport.
Geesh the mind is a terrible thing to loose... |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3109
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 10:03 am: |
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I haven't lost my mind yet ! but I think I've lost my memory but I can Remember !
My data base has 17 marine engine mfgrs
that had a Bridgeport address, I will search all of those that I can find info on !
Putting "Reversible" into system it came up with
the first patent for a 4 cycle reversible eng by none other than C.C. Riotte in 1903, he designed his own small marine engines in the 1890's under the Empire name and went on to establish the Standard Motor Construction Co.
From all I've read I believe he ranks with the great brilliant minds of engine design and mfgr at the turn of the century worldwide and the best American,unfortunately he died very young in 1908.
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1740
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 10:14 am: |
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I am not sure this one was instantly reversable. It might have been that you took the side cover off and moved the cam lobes. I will post better pics to show that it was most likely easy to move them to the other position.
Or it may be that there are parts missing and it could have done it by simply stopping the engine and turning it the other way, ?????? |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 3112
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:28 am: |
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This is a 1911 article, it opens another possibility for its utility ? most of article is about a newer engine, Company claims 18 yrs engine experience- I'm sure they have been innovative with their cam shaft designs ?
Hitchcock Gas Engine Co. Bridgeport,Connecticut
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 2195
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 17, 2015 - 07:13 pm: |
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JB now that you have done a ton of work on this creature, any ideas? |
