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andrew
| | Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 11:34 pm: | 
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Here is a link to some nice Kahlenburg photos... |
miro
| | Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2002 - 12:59 pm: |
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I wonder how big your muscles would have to be to get that engine to fire. Just overcomming the friction would be a challenge to mere mortals. |
Russell Ward
| | Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:51 pm: |
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What a lovely old thing: Does she run I wonder. It is a little sad to see engines as static exhibits and would be nice to build a boat round that one.
Better I guess to be on display than knackered. |
Greg Stamatelakys
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:15 am: |
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I have several 3 cylinder Kahlenberg engines
(one running)and a list of surviving engine; mostly on the Great Lakes. Here's my tugboat's site:
http://home.wi.rr.com/tugislay/tugislay.htm
Greg |
Robert
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 03:47 am: |
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If you're ever in Port Dover Ontario it sounds like there is another one to see there. See www.scrutonmarine.com
"File WT2015: Many thanks to Captain William Alexander. His donation of an antique 3 cylinder Kahlenberg marine diesel engine is a wonderful addition to our Port Dover Harbour Museum." |
andrew
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 09:18 am: |
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Robert,
I looked at the scruton site but couldn't find WT2015 http://www.scrutonmarine.com/
Can you find it again and copy the address (URL) of the specific page and post it here?
Thanks.
Andrew |
solarrog
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 11:19 am: |
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I found the file under items wanted, but could not open it
Roger DiRuscio |
Richard Day
| | Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 08:06 pm: |
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Greg were you the chap with the working Kahlenberg
in a trailer at the Mystic Antique Marine engine show back in 1992 or 1993? That was a magnificent display. |
Greg Stamatelakys
| | Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 05:13 pm: |
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The Kahlenberg in question (on a stand) is owned
by a guy in Two Rivers, Wisconsin and was developed by his late father-in-law. So far as my tug; I'm trying to relocate her from Milwaukee to
Superior, Wisconsin but with little sucess. Meanwhile I'm in contact with the factory at T.R. and working up a list of exsisting Kahlenberg engines, running, abandoned or in Museums. If you have informtion please send a message. Thanks, Greg |
Robert
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 01:33 pm: |
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Does anyone have info on a Kahlenburg gas engine, two cylinder about 15-20hp? |
andrew
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 03:02 pm: |
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Robert,
Are you sure it is a gas engine? I have a catalog that shows the smallest model as 20-24HP 2 cylinder.... but is diesel or "Oil Engine" as they call it.
Regards,
Andrew |
Robert
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 12:13 am: |
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Andrew,
2nd hand account of a derelict I have not seen. Presume it must be the engine you refer to. May I ask you to post or post me a scan/photo of that 20-24hp, if you have the time? Thanks. |
andrew
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:33 am: |
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Robert,
Post your email address or sent it to me: [email protected]
Here is a photo from a catalog that I have:
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Greg Stamatelakys
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 01:51 pm: |
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I think Kahlenberg built some gas engines right after an early period with steam. There may be an example at the Wisconsin Maritime Museum @ Manitowoc. I'll try and check and get back to you. |
Robert
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 02:06 pm: |
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I have spoken to the WMM and they were very helpful. They have two or three gasoline Kahlenburg engines in their collection. Does anyone know of any others? |
Karl
Visitor
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 04:06 pm: |
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Can anyone tell me the approx. size and weight of a 3 cyl. Kahlenberg? Also what color were they painted new? |
bruce
Senior Member
Username: bruce
Post Number: 277
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 08:31 pm: |
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Last Fall's "gas up" at Coolspring Engine Museum had them firing their 5 cyl kalenburg-lots of smoke and a real sight!! |
ted_655
New member
Username: ted_655
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 06:58 pm: |
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Hi. Newcomers here.
My wife & I are looking at buying a tug with a E-6, 750 hp in it. It is supposedly running now.
Thought it prudent to learn as much as possible about Kahlenbergs and this model in particular. Any help is appreciated, thanks. Ted |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1281
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 09:04 am: |
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The following reply to the above question came in by email:
quote:Greetings Ted !!
You need to contact Franz at northeasternmaritime.org
He is well versed on K-bergs and a WEALTH of knowlege on most of the tugs that were powered with them. He owns several.
Tell him Wild Bill sent ya'.
[email protected]
Happy holidays to all !!
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unitedrigging
New member
Username: unitedrigging
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 12:32 pm: |
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I want to sell my five cylinder kahlenberg engine still in tug call 507-456-8525 or 507-456-8524 |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 247
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 04:47 pm: |
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There is a Kahlenberg engine room telegraph (the one for the wheelhouse) on that famous auction site right now.
Just the thing to go with your big oil engine.
Nothing to do with me of course.
# 160311412305 |
philg
Member
Username: philg
Post Number: 18
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 07:53 pm: |
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In viewing some of the other sections of the site I was thrilled to run across a thread for Kahlenbergs! To answer someones previous question, yes they did make gas ones, I brought one home awhile ago, but it has had a hard life, the brass tag has a serial #199 Z and HP of 3- 5 (or possibly it is an S). It would be great if anyone had any info they could share about the engine, particularily on the trip mechanism for the ignitor - which is unfortunately missing pieces. Also the top of the piston is gone and has had someones revisions added to it. It would appear the original baffle would have been bolted to the top of the piston. Kahlenberg engines are very scarce for my area, can anyone tell me what sizes they came in and if this one is a large or small size? |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 248
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 11:51 pm: |
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I was going to post a chart showing engine sizes etc. that was kindly contributed by someone on another site, but unfortunately it is larger than 100Kb and cannot be made smaller and still be legible. I'll send that to you by email if possible.
I'll also send you an address at Kahlenberg Bros. They can provide you with a copy of the original sales info for your engine, the date of completion etc.
In regard to parts, there are illustrations that may help. Kahlenberg Bros. also retains many of their plans and drawings I am told.
They are a very helpful "old school", family owned company. |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 990
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 09:24 am: |
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Robert,
You can post it as an attachment instead of as an image in the post, or send it to me to reduce it.
Thanks. |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 226
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 09:51 am: |
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http://www.oldmarineengine.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=1&post=25616#POST2561 6
Check this previous posting out Philg |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 991
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 01:29 pm: |
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Here is a try at posting Robert's engine size chart:
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 227
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 02:58 pm: |
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bgoss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 87
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 08:07 pm: |
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Phil, I think these pictures should give you a pretty good idea what the ignitor trip looks like. I can't see the back of your engine, but there appears to be a post below the ignitor which should act the same as this double. These pictures are from the Muskoka Pioneer Power show at Bracebridge, ON (engine owned by the club).
Hope that helps, Blair.
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robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 249
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 09:13 pm: |
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"I have several 3 cylinder Kahlenberg engines
(one running)and a list of surviving engine; mostly on the Great Lakes. Here's my tugboat's site:
http://home.wi.rr.com/tugislay/tugislay.htm
Greg"
The link is dead. Any updated links? |
andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 993
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 10:30 am: |
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I am not familiar with the vessel, but I a search found these sites:
http://www.islayblog.com/2008entries/20081125-tug.shtml
and
http://www.northeasternmaritime.org/Islay.shtml |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 252
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 08:42 pm: |
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Here are some photos from I don't remember where, that might help. The engine is a 2hp I believe
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philg
Member
Username: philg
Post Number: 20
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 07:37 pm: |
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Hi All, thanks for the response. Blair and Robert, thanks for the pics - they show alot of the details I was looking for. My engine is not very accessable at this time so I can't see where the water pump would have been mounted. Does anyone maybe have a close up shot of this area and the hook up between the excentric and the pump? I am assuming the lever on the back end was for a reversing propellor? I am wondering what carb was used on Kahlenbergs? |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 253
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 02:47 am: |
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That's all I've got, but someone else might be able to help...
As for the carbs, the larger engines seem to have used a unique-looking mixer valve that almost looks like it was built on the body of large right angle globe valve...anyone? |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 239
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 08:31 pm: |
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philg,
The blue single cylinder above is now owned by John Smietana. He is one of the Louisana boys. |
jw_smietana
Member
Username: jw_smietana
Post Number: 15
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 09:19 am: |
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The engine is mine,acquired last year from twin rivers WI.
serial#158 S pat 1904 & 1906 2hp, Mixer is 3/4 Lukinberg. A very helpful Kalenberg supplied the following information,serial #s this model started at #150 earlest were 1/1/2 H.P. This engine was sold in 1905 and installed in a picknic launch.Factory overhaul 1912,in witch it was bored 1/32. It is an excellent runner |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 254
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 12:46 pm: |
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Thanks for posting! Any chance of some close up photos John? The mixer valve I don't recognize and there seem to be a few attachment points on the cylinder with nothing attached - is anything missing? With that long keyed shaft do you think it had a factory reverse gear originally? |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 240
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 03:53 pm: |
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Robert,
Looks like John's engine has could have been converted to sparkplug when the factory rebuilt the engine. There is a plate over the area where the ignitor mounted, and a tapped boss for the rocker. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 255
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 04:29 pm: |
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I wondered about that Keith and thought probably it was the castings being set up so as to be usable for either M&B or sparkplug(?) I was thinking more of the boss on the back of the cylinder and what that might have been for. Presumably the engine is a 'hot-head'? Is this true of yours Phil? |
jw_smietana
Member
Username: jw_smietana
Post Number: 16
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2009 - 08:44 am: |
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Keith & Robert
You are correct, the plate is for the ignitor, the boss for the trip rod bracket. The trip rod lever is on the same shaft as the water pump eccentric. I have no idea what the boss with two threaded holes on the back was for. The long key on the shaft slides fore and aft. Facing the flywheel, when turning clockwise the key moves aft to a notch in the coupling, counter clockwise moves the key forward to a notch in the eccentric drive , the eccentric does not move while the key moves thus changing the timing for opposite rotation. I will try to post pics of this to help clarify the explanation. The mixer is a 3/4 luckinhimer. I am trying to obtain prints or pics of the ignitor. I would like to duplicate it. I will have the engine at Calvert in May. |
philg
Member
Username: philg
Post Number: 24
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 10:07 pm: |
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Hello Everyone, I have a some answers to a few questions. Yes it is a hot head, and the ignitor is complete except for the springs. John, when the weather (and the storage facilities) are warmer I will try to get a drawing with accurate measurements posted. This engine has one screw and a broken piece of brass as all that is left of the water pump. I think the timer may have been put in at the factory during the re-build in 1912? The one picture show the head nicely and the two small pieces I think are probably the ignitor picks - can anyone confirm? |
Bradda88
Visitor
| | Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 09:14 am: |
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Hello all,
What a beautiful boat in the first picture that Andrew posted!! Can anyone tell me about it?? |
Jacob Market
Visitor
| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 03:49 pm: |
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I am going to restore an AT, 3 cyl. If any one cares, its # 317. It is the only thing left in a rotting trawler too bad, it was a cool boat. Is this a good place to go to find parts? |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 251
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2009 - 11:17 am: |
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Jacob,
It's a good place to go for information and sometimes for parts. No sure how much help for Kahlenberg parts. You might check with the factory.
Keith |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 253
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 - 10:21 am: |
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I am posting some pictures of a Kahlenberg that Dave D recently picked up. These should be of some help to John S.
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 254
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 - 10:23 am: |
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One more
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robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 281
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 - 08:06 pm: |
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Very nice, could we see a photo of the whole engine? What size is it? |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 255
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 - 09:17 pm: |
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robert,
I will have to take one, but it is larger than John's. It is missing the Tag, but does have the original Kahlenberg mixer. Is there anywhere the serial number is stamped other than the tag? |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 282
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 01:15 am: |
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Thank you Keith. I hope there is somewhere the SN is stamped, but I'm not aware of where that would be. Can someone who owns one comment? |
jw_smietana
Member
Username: jw_smietana
Post Number: 17
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 08, 2009 - 07:57 am: |
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Keith
Thanks for the great pics,with them and what I already have I hope to start work on the igightor soon.You are certinly correct in that parts for these engines are diffucult to find.Most have to be fabricated.
I have found no sn's other than the tag on my eng. |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 256
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2009 - 10:46 am: |
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Robert/John,
I got around to taking more pictures of Dave's engine. The lever at the back of the engine is used to change the timing. It has an ignition contact to allow for the reversing of the engine. There is the No. 55 stamped on the igniter. Don't know if this would be the serial number or not. It also has a pulley behind the flywheel and what looks like some kind of mount on the cylinder which is probably related to the mount. I neglected to take any measurements, but the engine stands about 4 feet tall on its skid. I have additional pictures.
Keith
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robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 283
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 01:23 am: |
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Very nice photos! I would be interested to know if there are any markings on the greasers or mixer valve? Thanks. |
philg
Advanced Member
Username: philg
Post Number: 33
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 08:33 pm: |
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Hi All, it was great to see the picture with the carb, I am going to try to make a carb out of a 1" 90 degree valve. I have no idea what the interior looks like. My Kahlenburg info says there are 36 components to the carb, I do have a similiar looking carb on an Ellis 2 Cycle engine - I suppose I could pattern after it. Keith, you are right in that the bracket on the cylinder does have something to do with the pulley. The bracket holds an arm on which a dynamo is mounted and in turn is driven by the pulley. I am trying to move the lever on the back of my engine, but am not getting the eccentric to rotate - hopefully it just needs more lubrication. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 285
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 02:02 am: |
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The sequel on the Tug Islay mentioned above: http://www.northeasternmaritime.org/Islay.shtml
Note the slideshow for images of the engine |
Quentin Bennett
Visitor
| | Posted on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 02:42 am: |
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Here is a engine plate for a Kahlenberg Crude oil Engine I am saling on ebay if anyone is looking for one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300697550252?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m15 86.l2649 |
raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 59
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 11:51 am: |
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I Thought it is time to thank Dave Deardorff and JB for their help with getting my 5 hp Kahlenberg running.
My engine was missing the ignitor and the exhaust flange. Dave was kind enough enough to lend me his to copy. I have sketches of the the parts, a pattern for the casting and the tooling to wind the spring. Anyone needing help just let me know via Pm.
JB lent me his float assembly which keeps a constant head of gas on the mixer needle. Works great.
Yesterday I was able to run the engine for 60 minutes at 220 rpm with only a occasional ignitor miss. The lever located on the rear of the engine works well for reversing, just pull the little brass trigger which breaks the ignitor circut,pull the lever back and release the trigger and the engine reverses.
I have just located the correct Wizard low tension magneto which is mounted on a pin held in the boss located on the cylinder which has a square hole in it. the magneto is driven with a flat belt and uses the pulley located just behind the flywheel.
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 832
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 10:53 pm: |
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Nice engine Dick, looks great. Glad you ironed out the running problems, can you link the video on here? |
raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 61
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 11:06 pm: |
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Not sure how to link a video??? |
bartropr
Senior Member
Username: bartropr
Post Number: 68
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 06:05 am: |
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Was the carb/vaporizer with the engine, or did you make this as well? Do you know where to obtain one of these? |
raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 62
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 10:11 am: |
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The mixer is original and came with the engine. I have no idea who might have one. It would be a complicated core to make for both the top and bottom , plus the patterns for both. |
raa
Senior Member
Username: raa
Post Number: 63
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, October 04, 2013 - 10:53 am: |
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Here is the You Tube video linkhttp://youtu.be/4E7rOdTqFYY |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 604
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 05, 2013 - 01:48 am: |
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Fascinating to see one run. Very impressive engine. A longer video would be nice to see ;-) |
elsiej1945
New member
Username: elsiej1945
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2017
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2017 - 11:37 am: |
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I have a chart boat using a 75-90 hp Kahlenberg engine. Engine runs good but am starting to have trouble with the reverse gear/ clutch . Prop shaft is loosing rpm when engine rpm ether stay the same or increase. I have good engine schematics but not much on the clutch. If could get info in this issue would appreciate it.
Bob Jensen
Jensencharters.com |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 502
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2017 - 09:37 pm: |
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Contact Kahlenberg. They may have a manual for the reverse gear. They are very receptive to providing info on particular engines.
Keith |
elsiej1945
New member
Username: elsiej1945
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2017
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2017 - 06:03 pm: |
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Contacted Kahlenberg but haven't heard back yet. |
