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| Ferro 4, 6, V8 Engine list??? |
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John E Tierney
Member
Username: bud_tierney
Post Number: 29
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 12:18 am: | 
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Do any of the marine engine books have a list of the Ferro 4, 6 and V8 engines?? Not that I could afford one, but the library might have a copy.
The Ferro book on Google lists the 1, 2 and 3 cyl of the time, but it's apparently before they got into larger engines.
Many thxx!! Bud |
Robert B. Price
Senior Member
Username: rbprice
Post Number: 381
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 11:20 am: |
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John - in all of my Ferro catalogs there is no mention of any V-8 engines. I do have a four cylinder engine in the collection from approx. 1919 that looks like it was intended for either automotive or marine use but that is the only engine I know of like that.
Bob Price |
John E Tierney
Member
Username: bud_tierney
Post Number: 30
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 12:23 pm: |
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Bob: Many thxx for quick reply...
While I know little of Ferro, I understand the V8s (at least three are listed in the "Std Cat V8s") were all automotive engines.
There're several threads and pix in this forum on at least one marine four, and I believe ads showing at least two different fours.
Googling Ferro Six Cylinder brought up a report on the 1908 Ohio River Launch Club Regatta; per my notes paragraph 19 referred to "...Willianstown II, a 30 footer with a 34 horse 6 cyl Ferro..."
There's also a Patent for a 6 cyl in "...two rows in V...", (a V6 or a V12??) which I didn't read to see what was actually meant.
I'll have to go thru more of the Ferro threads here; they may've given up marine engines, trying to get into automotive engines before becoming a casting foundry for other car builders, leaving the Ferro name on various other makes car/truck engines.
I don't have any engines, it's just idle curiosity on my part; all too often I'll do a lot of scratching around, and someone'll say "oh, yeah, all that info's in XX by XX..
Again, many thxx for comments. John (Bud) Tierney |
Robert B. Price
Senior Member
Username: rbprice
Post Number: 382
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 03:16 pm: |
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WOW - in all of my Ferro catalog stuff, which goes up to 1918, there is no mention of those engines. And one item that is relevant here, is a letter I have from one of Ferro's major dealers stating that Ferro, as of December 1918 has stopped making any marine engines and that they would be handling any inquires for parts etc.
And you are correct that they wanted to focus on being a foundry for the automotive industry as the reason they dropped the marine engine business. Could you plse send me a link to any of the references you have mentioned as I would like to read them too.
Thanks John.
Bob |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1541
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 07:29 pm: |
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The BYB (Big Yellow or Red Book) for stationary engines by Wendel has a pic of a Ferro V8. |
Robert B. Price
Senior Member
Username: rbprice
Post Number: 384
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 08:17 pm: |
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WOW - again. I have had a copy of Wendel's book for ages and that page is marked since it is the Ferro page but I never focused on that V-8. It sure does not appear in any of my Ferro catalogs.
But its sophisticated design is significant and one can't help but to wonder if that engineering was done in downtown Cleveland or if Ferro went to an outside engineering firm.
And I wonder where Wendel got the picture.
Thanks a bunch John
Bob |
Keith Billet
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 359
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 09:35 pm: |
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Didn't. Chevrolet offer a aluminum (Ferro) V-8 in 1918? |
John E Tierney
Advanced Member
Username: bud_tierney
Post Number: 31
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 02:16 am: |
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Taken is reverse order:
(1) The Std Cat V8s omits the paragraph with the Chev V8 b/s, but a 30 McCord catalog lists it as a Mason engine, and another catalog gives 33/8 bore, which doesn't fit the Ferros below...
(2) Never learned to link--a list of V8s AND the V12 is in a GEM (Gas Engine Magazine) article written by Max Holmgren and published after his death in the Oct/Nov 2011 issue--it comes up Googling Ferro Machine and foundry Co.
(3) My ref above to a Patent was in error (can't read my own notes)...the V12 is desc'd in an article in the 11-11-15 Motor Age that comes in a "books.google.com "1915 Business and Commerce" hit Googling Ferro Six Cylinder.
So far I've got five Ferro V8s:
8-35---25/8x33/4---GEM, Scripps-Booth Std Cat V8s;
???----27/8x43/4---1916 Jackson #348 (Std Cat V8);
8-48---3x31/2---GEM, Economy 1918, Jackson Wolverine 1917-18 (Std cat V8);
8-60---31/4x4---GEM;
???----31/2x41/2---1916 Jackson #68 (Std Cat V8s).
No other info on any Ferro 6, presumeably inline, or the V12; there were several orphan cars listing "own" V12--I'll eventually check the Ferro V12 b/s against any of those I can find.
All the Ferro V8s and the V12 were supposedly OHV.
There may well be more info buried in old Ferro forum threads here; I only went thru the first dozen or so so far.
Researching Ferro is complex; when they gave up making their own engines, and did casting for other makes (they probably did both at the same time for awhile) they kept showing their logo, so it pops up all over other cars.
Too many mysteries; too little time!! Many thxx for all comments. Bud |
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