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speleausmining
Advanced Member
Username: speleausmining
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2010
| | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2012 - 01:21 pm: | 
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Anyone have a good source for plans for a Louisiana Bateaux. I would like to build one for my Fairbanks marine engine but have come up with nothing plans wise. |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 620
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 09, 2012 - 10:31 pm: |
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Well, the simplest, most easier way to do that is to visit the Cajun gang around the Belle River.
You'll be introduced to many boat owners - some of whom have new boats ( 2 or 3 yeas old) and other who have 50 year old boats.
You can then take your pick of the design elements you like and start whittlin' wood.
Oh and BTW, you've got a some sinker cypress for the planing.
I know it's tempting to get a set of drawings - but heck - there's no opportunity to have great Cajun food with that approach - especially deep fried boudin balls.
They are really interesting boats - simple yet subtle - the product of decades of refinements and tweaks.
miro |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 675
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 08:46 pm: |
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I built mine in 1993. An old boat builder told me how to do it, I remember most of it. Guess I should make some notes. |
speleausmining
Advanced Member
Username: speleausmining
Post Number: 35
Registered: 10-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 10:18 pm: |
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Dont know if a trip down Cajun way is in the near future. I do have lots of pics of them and a workable peliminary scale model. The current model will take some tweaking to get it right its a little narrow in beam and deep in draft right now resulting is some side to side stability issues even when the weight of the engine and passengers are accounted for (hey my experiance is in canoes). Not alot of tipyness but I want a real stable boat with a shallow draft for river use. Cyprus is on the List of materials I am looking at as potential materials though due to Geographic location and cost may not happen. Plan B failing cypress is Burr oak for the framing and engine mounts etc. with a cedar hull and copper clading on the bow. I know a guy with a saw mill so the materials are readily available. Guess the craft is going to be more of a Canadian interpretation of the Bateaux then a true Bateaux but I am happy with that. I was working for the assumption that there was a set design, which I guess there isnt. I will have to update with progress once the build starts. |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 623
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2012 - 10:59 pm: |
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Have a look at these boats and you can see that they are quite stable.
Once you have JB's notes, you should be able to design-out the tippiness.
These boats need about 24 inches of water for the prop and the rudder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iirpza4iqc
For shallow draft boats have a look at a tunnel boat in action.
It only needs about 8 inches of water ( for the rudder) and the prop is completely above the bottom of the boat in a tunnel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-XbOnToKXE
I should be able to find some more pictures and maybe some videos.
miro |
speleausmining
Advanced Member
Username: speleausmining
Post Number: 38
Registered: 10-2010
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 - 03:06 pm: |
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I think the main issue I have with the current model is its a tiny bit narrow. My plan is to keep the draft etc. the same and just increse the width. I had not consitered tunnel boats but I may work that into the plan. The issue with the rivers in my area is they tend to have shallow sections either sand bars or rock ledges that can make navigation problematic. 24" of water sounds good for what I plan on doing. Hopefully I will have the new model completed today some time. |
bcm
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Username: bcm
Post Number: 29
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 - 04:12 pm: |
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Check this link for plans available at very reasonable price suitable for small antique engine.
All William & John Atkin designs.
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Utilities/index.html |
bcm
Member
Username: bcm
Post Number: 30
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 - 05:31 pm: |
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This link lists boat plans over 20 feet including a 20'6" Garvey river boat.
All Atkin designs, many flat bottom easy build. |
bruce
Senior Member
Username: bruce
Post Number: 302
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 - 08:16 pm: |
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There's a 22 ft. Ben Garvey-new;almost completed locally( Mid NY state) for sale for little money. The 22' length was scaled up from the 20'6" plan by slightly increasing the frame intervals.e-mail if interested. |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 516
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 - 10:49 pm: |
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I might have to look into that 20'6" Garvey river boat, I have a couple of nice Red Wings that match the plans. |
speleausmining
Advanced Member
Username: speleausmining
Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 01:48 am: |
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Here is the revised plan. I would welcome any comments or suggestions
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speleausmining
Advanced Member
Username: speleausmining
Post Number: 41
Registered: 10-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 01:49 am: |
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Here is the plan for the ribbing and engine mounts |
speleausmining
Advanced Member
Username: speleausmining
Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 02:41 pm: |
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looks like the materials for construction will be White Cedar for the planking and Burr Oak for the framing. White Cedar is available in my area for $0.60/lf for 1X6 rough sawn kiln dired lumber. Cypress starts at $1.00/lf for similar dimension and old groath sinker lumber is a whole lot more. Given the durability of Eastern White Cedar (which is compareable to cypress) the extra cost and logistics cannot be justified IMO. Still planing on installing copper clading for the bow to act as a "skid plate" |
