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Jim Paige
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 - 06:32 pm: | 
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Please help identify this old inboard motor, it
was used in a south Florida river.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2769
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 01:06 pm: |
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Jim
Definately a cool very old designed engine, I was hoping someone had comments !
I sent you an email with several questions that may help with putting a name and some information
to your engine ? Very Intertesting
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 661
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 07:45 pm: |
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I'm waiting to see what you come up with Richard, never seen an engine like this in the USA, looks like the European motors with only one side of the crank exposed. |
paulgray
Senior Member
Username: paulgray
Post Number: 117
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 08:12 pm: |
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The sub-base and bypass port throttle would put it at pre-1905? Is that a hot tube I spy under that can on the top port side?? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2770
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 09:49 am: |
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Jim Paige photos
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Jims email
Bolt heads are American standard, the only markings on the motor are on the carb & flywheel as noted on 2 of the pictures.
I sent the igniter to have new points installed, the number on it was 12. No other markings are on the motor. The prop has a R12 stamped on it. The out put shaft does attach to the flywheel.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2773
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 06:34 pm: |
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Jim sent these additional photos.
How about that diaphram waterpump ??
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 663
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 08:08 pm: |
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You'd know about a diaphram failure before the engine overheated. |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 667
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 10:16 am: |
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I expected to see a spark plug under the cover, the piston trip ignitor was a surprise. Shouldn't that date it to early turn of the century? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2775
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 03:06 pm: |
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J.B.
Can't put a name to this one but thinking out loud I agree with your earlier statement that this is probably a European engine, Pauls comment that this is 1905 or earlier I also agree with, that subbase and throttle valve design was late 1800's, by 1905 they were not seen anymore in U.S. but I don't know that to be true if it was made overseas ??
Its really good condition for its age and in a subtropic area ?
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2777
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 09:08 pm: |
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Jim's photos of throttle valve
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paulgray
Senior Member
Username: paulgray
Post Number: 118
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 06:11 pm: |
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Withe the solid flywheel and hiked-out bearing, maybe a light plant engine? It is almost like there is a sub-base misssing with a generator. That flange on the flywheel hub makes me wonder... |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2778
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 06:45 pm: |
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I have seen several stationary engines that drive
waterpumps to have marine like waterpumps to cool the engine ? They would convert to marine use easily ?
Jim said that seller had it in a boat, here's the prop and shaft that attached to flywheel.
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billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 506
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 07:57 pm: |
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Does it have a thrust bearing behind the flywheel? if it does, it's marine all the way. If not, it's probably a universal motor, sold to use for any purpose. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2779
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2012 - 10:06 pm: |
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2780
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 12:55 pm: |
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Is it or isn't it a thrust bearing ??
doesn't seem to have spacing for the conventional bearing cage ?
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spence
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Username: spence
Post Number: 11
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 01:08 pm: |
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If the prop shaft is flanged to the flywheel there must be a thrust bearing somewhere. Behind the flywheel perhaps? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2782
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 10:29 pm: |
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Jim pulled flywheel to get a better look at thrust washer !
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miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 610
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 11:46 pm: |
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That thrust washer looks OK for the intended use, I think.
Looking at the prop / shaft ( 3/4 - 7/8 IN ? ?), the engine probably wasn't doing more than 500 rpm, and wouldn't have put out more than 2 HP.
The engine torque would have been just over 100 ft-lbs.
An intriguing engine for sure.
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