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Andrew Menkart
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1099
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 10:36 am: | 
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I received the following note and photos by email. I am posting them here and will ask Colin to register and post additional info and photos. Hopefully he will post some photos of the boat as well!
quote:Hi There,
I am emailing from Victoria, British Columbia with some pictures of a power plant in my wooden boat. I have had this wonderful thing transport me and my family to Ruxton Island every summer for almost 20 years, and I have a sneaking hunch this engine may outlast me. Seventeen years ago some old boys at the Chemainus wharf said it was a Palmer. Can you look at the pictures I have attached to this email and confirm if it is indeed a Palmer. It has a Z-3.1 or Z-31 in the head casting, this is the only mark of identification I could find on it. Thank you.
Cheers for now,
Colin MacLock
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1294
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 03:26 pm: |
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It's not Palmer. I wonder what it is? |
Lawrence T Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 441
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 06:10 pm: |
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Could be a wisconsen block? |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1295
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 06:49 pm: |
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Hummm take a good look at the breather. And the 2 bolts that appear to do nothing would have been the gas tank bracket? Briggs? Look close the intake and carb are Briggs Also Briggs used flywheel mags where Wisconsin used an external mag? Didn't Briggs make a model Z? |
audie
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 09:25 pm: |
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It looks a lot like my United States Marine engine which is a water cooled Briggs. The water pump setup is the same and the breather and the shape of the cylinder also match. My engine is a 1-3/4 h.p and this looks to be eight or ten horse. |
Roger DiRuscio
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 457
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 09:37 pm: |
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I believe it is the Lauson/Tecumseh water cooled engine, I have one on a marine genset. |
Roger DiRuscio
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 458
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 - 09:40 pm: |
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Now the more I look at it, it does resemble the Briggs block. |
Andrew Menkart
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1100
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 09:57 am: |
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Additional info and photos from Colin. He is having trouble getting registered but I will try and help him.
quote:Thank you Andrew,
.... I have sent you a few pictures of the Boat "Woodrow" and one of the engine with the brass expansion tank behind it hanging from the inwale. It has a Briggs carb (I think) and a Briggs clutch. Some old boys date the engine around the late 20's or early 30's. I sure would like to know.
Colin MacLock
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Lawrence T Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 442
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 12:39 pm: |
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Briggs zz 3"by 3 1/4 stroke made 1931 to 1940 23ci. Could this be a water cooled version? |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1296
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 11:27 am: |
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I could very well be a Falcon. I have an air cooled Falcon which is a Briggs with different oil pan. This is neat to see with a water cooled cylinder.
Universal also used Briggs parts to make a small water cooled inboard.
By the way she is a real pretty boat |
William Schaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 369
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 01:35 pm: |
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Whoever repainted may have taken the name tag off of it. Do you know who? Also if you were ever to pull the flywheel, it should say who made the magneto. |
William Schaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 370
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 01:44 pm: |
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Here is picture of a Briggs & Stratton model Z I found on the net. Looks correct to me.
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mike schreiber
Member
Username: wrenchguy
Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 12:06 am: |
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briggs supplied air and watercooled parts to united states motors corp. the fist engine pictured doesn't have the marine oil sump like the last one pictured. i suspect it started out as a water cooled genset for a boat with its standard briggs z oil pan. note the one in the car with its engine stringer mounts and deeper capicty sump. i wonder if the one in the car has reverse gear? good luck. |
Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 418
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 01:08 pm: |
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I have an air-cooled version of this engine with the same reverse gear attachment and the "marine oil sump". It is badged as shown.
Nice boat, you should put her in the Classic Boat Show. Time for a keel cooler perhaps? |
mikeschreiber
Visitor
| | Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 01:56 pm: |
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robert, u have a briggs model am, it was built august 1943. its about 1 1/4 hp, the "m" means it has a thrust bearing setup and marine oil sump. there are no reverse gears shown in this post. the setup on the first engine is netural foward only. i'd like to see more photos of yours. i also question the united states marine engine posted in the canoe engine post as being a "2m-1". i ain't seen one begining with "2", normally the briggs model letter was the first letter in that code. briggs models "a, b, i, h, and z are some of the engines that were marineized. if a "g" was used after the "m" then it came with a briggs built reverse gear box. briggs didn't start building reverse gears till 1941. here's a pic of my 1944 us "bm-1"
[IMG]http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/wrenchguy49/usbm1.jpg[/IMG] |
Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 421
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 03:09 pm: |
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Mike, you're right about the gear of course; my mistake. Thanks for the info and here are a few more shots; all I have at the moment. This is "as found" before pressure washing! I see it was setup just to drive directly with a Lovejoy coupling, but maybe that was after it's marine career was over!
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Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 422
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 03:20 pm: |
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Inside looked a lot better than outside. One question: did B&S and US Motors continue to supply the civilian market during the war, or were these engines built for military use and then surplused after the war?
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mikeschreiber
Visitor
| | Posted on Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 05:04 pm: |
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that thing don't look bad!!! I don't know about military, i was suprised about mine being a 44. you'll note no alumiunm sump, shroud or head. some before the war ones had alumiumn parts. i agree with you about it not being marine in its later days. it should have flame arrester. they're hard to find that size. good luck. where are you. |
