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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2527
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 08:41 am: | 
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my list shows there was over 40 different companies that made opposed Marine engines
approx 1904- 1918, have seen very few here over the years ? any one have an opposed marine eng ?
Photos ?
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paulgray
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Username: paulgray
Post Number: 83
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 10:18 am: |
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Rich- remember this one?
http://users.zoominternet.net/~pcgray/GrayEng/gray2cyl.htm |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2528
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 10:28 am: |
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Paul, I do remember this very unique engine I still have photos of it, never have seen another or any reference to it, but I only look into marine related info. With all of the many engines Gray made over the years it is interesting that this opposed eng was not tried out in the marine market ?
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richardday
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 928
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 12:15 pm: |
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I remember a similar engine a now long deceased regular at the Annual Tuckahoe show would bring. He had it mounted on a four wheel cart and said it came off a railroad section car. Perhaps others may remember. It must have been mid 1980s. I do remember he had a big bus and his wife handled all the heavy work as he was in very bad health but determined to keep coming until the end. |
paulgray
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Username: paulgray
Post Number: 84
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 08:34 pm: |
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Rich- I had a guy from Australia telling me that Gray bought out Sintz and there may be a Sintz connection- heresay? Needless to say I am still looking for any info in the opposed Gray. Dick- would that railroad section car be a Fairbanks? |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2530
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 11:23 pm: |
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Paul, Books could be written about this era of engine history,this is the brief story.
Late 1880's "Gas Engine Company of Springfield" (Ohio) Clark Sintz sells out to John Foos.
1890 Clark Sintz establishes "Sintz Motor Company" in Springfield.
O.J. Mulford The biggest advertiser in his day, created the advertising idea of bill boards on the side of street trolleys, also main advertising agency for most of Detroits auto Industry was interested in motor boats and convinced Sintz & Co. to move to Grand Rapids, Michigan in 1891 and form the "Sintz Gas Engine Company". Mulford became a stock holder in the Sintz Co.and about 1902 moved the company to Detroit.
At the time O.J. Mulford was a board member of the "Michigan Yacht & Power Company" of Grand Rapids and was using the Sintz engines in the launches they were manufacturing, In 1902 the two Directors of The Sintz Co., Addison Barber and James Bayne sell the Sintz Co. to Michigan Yacht & Power Co.
1903 E.B. Finch succeeds o.J.Mulford as secretary of Michigan Yacht & Power Co. and sells to "Pungs Finch Auto & Gas Engine Company" 1911 Pungs Finch closes its doors .
After 1903 O.J. Mulford is temporarily out of the boating business and now with the experience and desire to build marine engines and Launches establishes in 1906 "The Gray Motor Company" in Detroit.Mulford had assembled a group to design an mfgr a state of the art Marine engine but by 1906 he resorted to using a "Stanley DuBrie" designed 2 cycle engine and in 1907 came out with his own designed engine and again in 1908 put on the market The Well known and accepted Model R and S two cycle engines.
Maybe not precise its from memory but it tells the story !
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richardday
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 929
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 08:55 am: |
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Paul, I really don't remember but it certainly could have been Fairbanks. Will ask old Tuckahoe folks from those years who it might have been. My wife has all the records of all the engine exhibitors from the day she started registering engines. The records are in storage and we will get them out and see if we can come up with the name and address of the exhibitor and his engines. Her records go back to at least 1978 I think. Long time since we looked at those years. Don't know why but the name Larry comes to mind. I wonder where that engine went it was a nice unit!!! |
mechman
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Username: mechman
Post Number: 16
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 01:29 pm: |
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Goodday all. There are maybe 6? Canadian Gas Power & Launch opposed engine known--I have one mostly complete & another bare block--Bruce Goss has one or two & another is in Whitby,Ont--below is my better one--The co, went bankrupt in 1913 so they are older then that."All the best of the season"! Larry Healey  |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2534
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 08:22 pm: |
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Larry
Glad to see you back posting here, appreciate
the photos, Didn't realize those engines were so rare, but no one is flooding the forum here with opposed engines so maybe they are indeed rather rare among existing old marine engines ?
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billschaller
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Username: billschaller
Post Number: 389
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 09:37 pm: |
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Here is a few pictures of Bruce Goss's motor, I visited in 2004 and took a few pictures.
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2535
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 10:22 pm: |
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Looks like a Beilfuss 1907-11 ca !
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mechman
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Username: mechman
Post Number: 17
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 09:24 am: |
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Goodday All Thanks for the kind comment Richard--I think you may correct about the photo of Bruce's engine--here is a photo I took of Bruce's engine (not too much detail),but the C,G.P.& L engines have the spark plug in the Valve access plug & fan type of fins in the flywheel. Also below is a photo of another that was at the Bracebridge farm machinery show this summer--it's a smaller model,C.G.P.&L at Bracebridge 2010}(Top Photo)   |
mechman
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Username: mechman
Post Number: 18
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 09:29 am: |
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Goodday again The photos above somehow got moved from the preview to the posting--The complete engine is the bracebridge eng. & the cylinder photo is Bruce's--sorry for the mixup! Larry |
paulgray
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Username: paulgray
Post Number: 85
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 04:44 pm: |
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All- Found this neat book on g-books- it is sort of a Wendells encyclopedia of pre-1921 aero engines. Lots of marine engines in there also under the guise of aeroplanes. http://books.google.com/books?id=16Y7AAAAMAAJ&ots=UcgOpB1lk1&dq=aeroplane%20engi ne%20encyclopedia&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false |
mechman
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Username: mechman
Post Number: 19
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 08:17 pm: |
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Goodday Paul I tried to see the book you mentioned,but could only find sources where it can be bought--is the book online somewhere? Larry |
paulgray
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Username: paulgray
Post Number: 86
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 - 05:30 am: |
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Go on the advanced book search and type in "aeroplane engine encyclopedia" and enter the dates 1920 to 1925. Also click on the "preview and full text" tab on the left. Here is the download link but it may be computer specific. http://books.google.com/books/download/Airplane_engine_encyclopedia.pdf?id=16Y7A AAAMAAJ&output=pdf&sig=ACfU3U1fkLgoSic34kiVSop_olRKmnCnqA |
billschaller
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Username: billschaller
Post Number: 390
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 11:37 pm: |
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1906
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bgoss
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Username: bgoss
Post Number: 158
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 08:32 pm: |
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I'm surprised that there haven't been more show up here, considering the number of makers that claimed an opposed engine.
Here are a couple of views of the CGP&L engine:
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Interesting that they show the engine set up to work both with the valves above and below the cylinder. Would this be the difference between a marine and an automobile installation? They claimed 5 to 20hp engines in the opposed orientation.
Do you have any other info on the following company (from Horseless Age, 1902)?
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2548
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 09:26 pm: |
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41 different opposed engine names in my list, many of them have not been heard of in the last
60-80 yrs. Like Mosler ?
Mosler A.R. was entered into my Engine list from Horseless Carriage Dec 11, 1901 ad ?
Several yrs later I added Ignition Company names into a separate data base, one day bingo it put this very well known mfgr together with your ad in the above post ! Another piece of Old Marine Engine history rediscovered.
Good Stuff !
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2549
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 - 10:21 pm: |
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2550
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 12:44 am: |
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Arthur R. Mosler patent # 741,057 October 13,1903
Looks to be a counter balanced crankshaft on the opposed engine in the photo ad above, counter weight needed the large round crankcase ?
Looks as if Mosler was or was affiliated with the well known Mosler Safe Company .
A turn of the century industrial inventive genius that is well worthy of a book about his life and career !
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billschaller
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Username: billschaller
Post Number: 455
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 07:23 pm: |
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1908 sintz
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