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Deborah Marx
New member
Username: dmarx0405
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 12:05 pm: | 
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I am looking for information about an engine on a shipwreck located in New England. The shipwreck is that of a wooden hulled side trawler (fishing vessel) built between 1920-1970. I have been unable to determine what type of engine it is from internet research or find any images of similar engine. I have been only able to capture images of the top part of the engine and I have documented that it has 8 inline cylinders with possible a exhaust manifold off to one side.
Please let me know if anyone has information that would help me identify this engine. I have included two images as a reference.
Thank you,
Deborah
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 555
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 06:39 pm: |
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Might be some sort of a Fairbanks Morse diesel. How long was the boat? |
Andrew Menkart
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Username: andrew
Post Number: 840
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 06:40 pm: |
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Deborah,
Wow! You have come to the right place, but you are probably going to have to supply some more photos or info for someone to help you.
Also (as you probably know) the vessel would have been documented and there should be details (including engine info) available through Lloyd's Register, or ABS (American Bureau of Shipping), depending on the year. Most good maritime museum library's will have all issues of both.
Keep us posted! |
Ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 556
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:01 pm: |
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Andrew,
Do you have a pic of the head of an FB model 32? I have searched a bunch and am not having any luck finding a pic of one from the top. I think there was one in GEM a while back related to a ferry on lake Champlain. |
dmarx0405
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Username: dmarx0405
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:38 pm: |
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The vessel is approximately 70 feet long and there is no evidence of a name anywhere since the vessel is very deteriorated and all that is left is the lower hull.
Hello again everyone,
I am trying to gather information about the engine and other features to try and determine what the name of the vessel is. At this time I am unable to look in Lloyd's or ABS without a name.
The vessel lies in very deep water with low visibility so I am unable to have a single image that shows the entire engine.
Here are three more images to help the board. The images are taken looking straight down at it.
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dmarx0405
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Username: dmarx0405
Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:39 pm: |
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image 2
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dmarx0405
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Username: dmarx0405
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:39 pm: |
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image 3
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 558
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:42 pm: |
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Deborah,
How big would you estimate the diamater of the top of the cylinders to be? |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 254
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:42 pm: |
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I looked at some marine diesel and associated books. Those engines all have a lot of over the top of the cylinder "stuff" which these cylinders do not have. Could this be a 2 cycle diesel? Sure looks like injector type pipes to the center of the cylinders. |
Ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 560
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:48 pm: |
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Tom,
Yup like a FB Model 32. The 32 was the first big true diesel that FB made. They were 2 stroke as well. |
dmarx0405
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Username: dmarx0405
Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 07:55 pm: |
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I would estimate that each cylinder is around 8 inches and the vessel's hull was most likely constructed in New England but I assume that does not mean that the engine came from New England.
I am looking for any information about the type of engine, possible maker, and date of construction. If possible, images of similar engines would also be helpful. |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 255
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:01 pm: |
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From Audels 1936 to 1948 Diesel Engine Manual.
Head shown from a "2 cycle Fairbanks Morse type engine" Not the same but I bet the engine in the sea is a 2 cycle.
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Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 256
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:02 pm: |
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Andrew Menkart
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Username: andrew
Post Number: 842
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:03 pm: |
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Ernie,
I don't have a photo of a Fairbanks Morse model 32 on the computer. I have a lot of Fairbanks catalogs and may have one for it. I will take a look later this evening. |
Ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 562
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:12 pm: |
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Tom,
That was what I had in mind. I think the 8 cylinder flavor was around 300 hp |
Tom Stranko
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Username: thomas
Post Number: 257
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:17 pm: |
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same book. FM Engine.
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Ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 563
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:23 pm: |
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Here are a 3 cylinder and 4 cylinder of the same flavor. However these are industrial not marine. Marine would have had a different flywheel and some sort of a clutch or reverse gear on the other end. These are Fairbanks Morse Model 32 engines I think. They are located at the Quinebaug Valley Engineers show grounds in Colchester, CT
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 564
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 08:34 pm: |
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Here is a model 35 fairbanks Morse. Not sure where I got the pic. I think they were made from 2 to 8 cylinders.
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John Davis
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 84
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 09:57 pm: |
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Here is a Fairbanks Morse six cylinder that was built around the 1910 time period. This is out of Wendel's volume two book. I couldn't find a pic of the later model fairbanks but this looks close I believe. |
Dan Kruitz
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Username: dankruitz
Post Number: 13
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 09:31 am: |
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Any plans to salvage the engine? That would be cool to document. The folks at Fiberglassics.com once had info about an aqua car one of their members pulled up out of the deep. |
dmarx0405
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Username: dmarx0405
Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 08:10 pm: |
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Dan: The shipwrecks lies in very deep water so there will be no salvage of the engine or any other part of the vessel.
I want to thank all of you who have supplied information to help me date and ID the engine.
Deborah |
wendell lewis,jr
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Username: wblewisjr
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:53 pm: |
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In Boothbay Harbor, Maine, is anchored the Sherman Zwicker, a 142' former grand banks fishing schooner, which has a 1938 Fairbanks diesel,2-cycle in it. This can be seen tied up at a local wharf. |
miro forest
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Username: miro
Post Number: 262
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 07:50 am: |
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Would be nice if some one close by could get to the engine room and get some pics. That's has to be easier than diving.
miro |
Evan Hale O'Connor
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Username: ailsa_craig_z4_silnet_seven
Post Number: 4
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 01:49 am: |
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pull it out pull it out, restor it, get it running, Good find man.
Cheers
Evan |
Richard A. Day Jr.
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 888
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 07:28 am: |
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I weep for the engine of the L A Dunton at Mystic Seaport. What a beautifully maintained engine room with critical spare parts bolted to the bulkhead. It was removed and no where to be found. So much for historic preservation in my opinion. |
Scott Noseworthy
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Username: scott_n
Post Number: 166
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 10:02 am: |
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You are right Richard but that was before my time hear at Mystic. I know were the engine is berried but the land owner wont let me dig it up |
RichardDurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2440
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 12:57 pm: |
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That's a story I'd like to hear !!
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Richard A. Day Jr.
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Username: richardday
Post Number: 889
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 08:11 am: |
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I don't know any of the details. I was just shocked when I went back on board the L A Dunton which is a magnificent Grand Banker and went straight to the engine room to visit that great engine in mint condition. You can imagine my disgust with those who would vandalize a real marine treasure. Not a trace remains. Those engines were what changed the fishing industry from a very much dependence on the weather to not only catch fish but get it to market before it spoiled. |
Robert B. Price
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Username: rbprice
Post Number: 330
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 08:34 am: |
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How much money would it take to convince the landowner that he should let us rescue the engine?
And when did it get buried? |
Scott Noseworthy
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Username: scott_n
Post Number: 167
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 04:33 pm: |
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it is not about money I will tell the story when I get the fax's just a little bizzy now. |
