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curtis
| | Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 02:15 am: | 
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The 25' fantail hull that goes with this engine is almost back together and it is time to put the engine back as it was so it can power the boat. This is a 2 cyl 4 cycle Truscott. I need to replace original ignition, governor & oilers. The magnito, auto oiler & shebler carb. were added later. I have catalogs 1901-1905, the engine does not appear in these. I was told it was earlier and this may be true as it has an offset crankshaft with no counter weights. Both cylinders fire in the same revolution. The 2 cylinder four cycles in my catalogs have aligned cranks pins and counter weights. The side of the engine says it is a medium duty. Any information would be appreciated. |
Curtis
| | Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 02:44 am: |
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Please advise how to post pictures to my messages. Thanks |
Ernie
| | Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 10:01 am: |
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I hope nobody else uses TMLP for you internet! It's as bad as AOL! |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 05:30 pm: |
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1898 Truscott Catalog Shows Upton Steam Engines,single and twin 2 cycle engines, no 4 cycle engines? I will post pics if any interest! |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 06:10 pm: |
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December 1913 Marine Motor index, under Medium Duty 4 cycle, Truscott lists 3 engines.
1. 6 Hp 3 3/4 bore, 4 1/2 stroke,750 Rpm,310 lbs.
2. 10 Hp 4 1/2 x 5 700 Rpm 520 lbs
3. 15 hp 5 1/2 x 6 650 Rpm 975 lbs
A few heavy duty engines are listed, but no two strokes! |
miro
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 09:46 am: |
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Have a look at a posting about Roy Davies Truscott engine ( it's in this section - you'll see the reference to Truscott in the title) and Tom Stranko posted a picture of this or a simialr engine plus right at the end, there is a post about a boat made for a Truscott engine - would be nice to see a pic of the boats.
miro |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 11:35 pm: |
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Miro: These are a few from 1898 catalog , they must be some of the first gas launches from Truscott as most of them in this catalog are steam launches!
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keith
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 10:58 am: |
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Hi Curtis, I don't know anything about this motor,except it is fabulous. Overhead cam, overhead valves, and lots of brass with a trans. Boy, would I love to own it. You might be able to age it by the mag style. Anxious to see the completed project.
Keith |
curtis
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 07:13 pm: |
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Miro: I did look at the 1907 engine posted by Tom Stranko and it has a symilar design. That engine has counter weights and aligned crank pins. My engine has offset crank pins and no counter weights it fires cyl #1 and 180 degrees later it fires cyl #2 then it must coast for 540 degrees before it fires cyl #1 again. I run it at 400 rpm max above that and its trying to leave the building. I think Truscott discovered this flaw early as none of the catologs I have show 2 cil 4 cycles whith offset pins. |
Bruce
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 10:27 pm: |
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Curtis, Just sold my 25' Truscott compromise stern launch to fund a recent overseas vacation. The hull will be restored here in New York state and will be kept on the Rideau canal in Ontario Canada when completed. Do you have a sense your hull is a Truscott built boat?? I know of only one other 25' model living in Michigan. |
curtis
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:39 pm: |
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Richarddurge you listed engines from 1913 any pictures? Bruce the horn timber on the launch I have is at a very low angle wich gives the stern a flat run out so it can use this much power without squatting to much. The planking is cedar ribs are 1-1/2" square white oak,stem, sternpost/horn timber are hackamattack ships knees. No builders plate. The boat is made of rough sawn lumber hand planed and scraped where it shows. I'll try to post pictures if anyone wants to see it. |
richarddurgee
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:20 pm: |
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Curtis,
Went through all my sources here and couldn't find
any more info or pictures of 4 cycle Truscotts. If I come across anything I'll post it here.
In an earlier post Keith said it all, a FABULOUS
Engine!! |
curtis
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 12:38 pm: |
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I found a patent for this engine it was filed in 1906 by A.R.& F.S. Welch #870065. It matches exactly the 1906 Truscott. Does anyone know who these guys were? In their claims it states that they invented the overhead valve hemi. |
Richard Day
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 07:50 pm: |
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Small footnote to history.
Bill Nanfield sent me a Zerox from the April 10, 1929 Motor Boat Magazine.
Pages 126 and 127. The following is a small portion of the article which I believe was probably written by Ray Palmer's son, E. E. Palmer as it is very similar to one he wrote several years before.
Two boats as well a five motors of Palmer manufacture were exhibited at the Pan American exposition held in 1901 in Buffalo. Besides Palmer products two other exhibitors showed their line of boats. They were the Consolidated outfit and the Truscott firm, the latter of which subsequently went out of business.
Unfortunately the article gives no clue as to when Truscott went out of business. Of course Consolidated went on to become a major player in the yacht building industry.
One additional bit of history is revealed in this article in that it says the last Palmer boat was built in about 1919. |
Don Boehl
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 03:26 pm: |
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Dear Madam or Sir,
Can you recommend a source for wooden boat plans?
I am looking for plans for a Chesapeake Bay Flat Bottom style boat.
The boat should be 12 to 16 feet long with a beam of 4 to 5 feet.
I have two 2-cycle engines:
The Saint Lawrence Engine Company Limited
Brockville, Ontario Canada
Model XA Serial #7887
Circa 1006, 2 Cycle, 1 1/2 hp
Termaat and Monahan
Oshkosh, Wis., USA
2 Cycle, 1 1/2 hp
Serial # 127
I would like to install one of these engines in the proposed boat.
Can you give me some direction?
Best regards,
Don Boehl |
rholcomb
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:11 am: |
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Truscott Boat And Auto Supply
Company catalog on e-bay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3521618857 |
Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:51 am: |
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I am sending 3 images from the original 1906-7
Truscott catalog I have showing the 4 cycle with similar valve setup. I can email a better picture
to anyone interested |
Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:52 am: |
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Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:53 am: |
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Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:54 am: |
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Tom Stranko
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Tom Stranko
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Tom Stranko
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Tom Stranko
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:19 pm: |
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The first 3 pictures are of the "heavy duty" 4 cycle. The next 2 pictures show the "lighter" duty 4 cycle. For lack of a better term I'm calling the valve drive mechanism on your (drool causing) Truscott a "Buffalo style" drive. Since your engine has no balanced crank, I'm assuming it was earlier than what's shown in the 1906-7
catalog. It also must be that they changed the
valve drive mechanism from the Buffalo style to the heavier between the cylinders type.
WHAT A GREAT ENGINE!! |
Bruce
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 11:47 am: |
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Bob Speltz Volume 1 of his Real Runabouts series gives ample coverage of Truscott's extensive line of boats for year 1948 with dealers nationwide. Cruisers and multiple runabout models were in their line. Models listed in the ACBS directory cover years 1890 through 1948. |
curtis
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 01:50 pm: |
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 and it looks like this  |
curtis
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 02:19 pm: |
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TRYING AGAIN.. pATENT PICTURES
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curtis
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 02:41 pm: |
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again
 
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curtis
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 03:37 pm: |
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Tried to post the patent drawings for this engine but it didn't come out to well sorry. If you want to see the actual patent click on
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
go to number search and type in 870065
Tom it would be great if you could e-mail me those pictures. |
Don Curtis
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Username: curtis
Post Number: 11
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 02:55 pm: |
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when I was looking through the 1907 NYC Boston Boat Show photos posted by tbuchanan on 12-27-10 when I noticed this engine and blew up the image it matched the later version of my engine.
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