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Vincent Veary
New member
Username: cape_cod_cc
Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 05:56 pm: | 
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Hello,
I tried posting this response to someone’s questions about these motors but the system would not take my response perhaps the thread was too old. At any rate I thought I would see what we can find out about these great old V-6 engines. I have one and have learned a lot about them but as you know there is always more to learn. Here is my original post...
Hello,
I also came here to find out more on this engine. I will tell you what I know. Yes this is a Buick engine that was sold to Dauntless in the mid 60s who made them for Universal to marinize. It is a 225 CID that was used in Jeeps of that era and is really the same engine Buick used through the 70s and 80s as they bought the rights to the engine back in the early 70s.
It is generally rated at 155 HP which is very good for its weight and the era it was built in. It is an unusual odd fire engine which means that the 6 cylinder do not fire at perfect intervals of 60 degrees but rather 45 and 90 degree intervals which makes for a noted rough idle but when it is above idle it is fine. As a side note this was changed by Buick in 1977 to make it an even fire engine.
I think these are great engines and the Buick v6 is noted as one of the all time best engine designs. I would love to find some literature from Universal on this engine. One of the boats they used this in was a Correct Craft 16ft Skylark and as you can imagine this boat was very fast.
Evinrude also used this engine for one of there IO set ups in the late 60s and through the 70s. It of course was not a Universal marinization but rather an Evinrude conversion.
If anyone else can add more I would love to hear from you and again I am very interested in finding any paper for this engine.
Thanks,
Vince
Cape Cod CC
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Mark Johnson
New member
Username: turfspray
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 11:37 am: |
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I have a Correct Craft with a V-6 in it. It has been in storage for maanny years. I got it from a marina where it was abandoned. I started the engine but it had poshed out a freeze plug and water got in the oil. I cleaned that out but have not had time to work with it further. I think it will make a nice river boat. |
Ross DuVal
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2007 - 09:17 pm: |
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Yep, got one in my 1970 17' BellBoy. Runs great, unique sound-lots of pep. Same engine as used in late 60's early 70's CJ5 Jeep. There are carb kits available and some souped up timing but thats for gear heads, I like it fine as is. |
Rand O'Leary
Visitor
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 09:16 pm: |
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Does anyone know if there is a special tool for getting the spark plugs out of the Sabre V6 without taking the Exhaust Manifold off? The engine is in a Correct Craft - 1964. |
John Morrow
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 10:12 am: |
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I am looking for one of these engines to replace mine. I have had this one since 1966 in a Correct Craft Skylark. I have tried finding Universal Marine or engine company without success so far. Any help would be appreciated. |
Vincent Veary
New member
Username: cape_cod_cc
Post Number: 3
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 11:44 am: |
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Hello John,
I did have a lead on 2 of these engines and spoke to the seller a few times as a friend of mine was looking for one as well. We never followed up with him but I may be able to find the sellers information.
Also if you need a block or other parts you can use a Chris Craft, pictured, or Evinrude version of this engine. The marinization parts will be different but the main engine parts are the same.
Vince
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Vincent Veary
Member
Username: cape_cod_cc
Post Number: 4
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 10:57 pm: |
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It was right here that I heard about these engines. Here is the link...
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3449/102674.html |
bobby gentile
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| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 08:58 pm: |
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i just purchased a 63 skylark with a rusted out thermostat housing and cannot find the part none of the boat dealers can figure anythign out. they need to know who the motor is marinized by.if any one can help me out it would be greatly appreciated. |
Joseph Centanni
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 10:26 pm: |
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I have 3 set of heads for buick v6 225 engines,that i will sell cheap.These are automotive heads so no rust,2 sets have been cleaned & valves lapped.one set is the short version.I used 225 buicks in my small shrimp boat so i had spare head |
69Larsen
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| | Posted on Friday, October 24, 2008 - 09:04 am: |
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I have a 1969 Larsen boat with the 225 V6 engine I would like to sell. The boat has been sitting for several years. I have the service manual and drive parts catalog. Loacated in Wisconsin. If interested please contact me for further details:
[email protected] |
Todd Burnett
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 28, 2009 - 01:44 pm: |
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I have just purchased a 1966 Chris Craft with the 225 engine in it. I was told that the engine had seized but in the same breath it may need the spark plugs changed. I would be grateful for any imformation made available to me. Thank you. |
Vince Veary
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| | Posted on Friday, May 29, 2009 - 09:27 am: |
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If the engine is seized you will know it as it will not turn at all, so sparkplugs will not help. If it moves try new plugs and see if you can get it running. If you know it is seized you can remove all the sparkplugs and poor a few ounces of Marval Mystery Oil in each cylinder. Let it sit for a few week and then try and move the crank with a large breaker bar and socket, move it back and forth and you may be able to free up the engine. Once you free it up you may get it running depending on the overall condition of the engine. Hope this helps. |
John McCoy
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| | Posted on Monday, June 01, 2009 - 12:56 pm: |
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I have several of these motors from jeeps cj-5s and commandos. Also have turbo charged grand national version. I think this is the same motor although even fire. Can this be converted to marine application? |
steve norman
New member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:04 pm: |
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I have a 67 tbird boat 18 foot with this v6. Mine seems like the motor wants to turn but the transmission is locking it up, the outdrive spins fine too. Any suggestions other than pull the mpotor and check the trans? Is there a safety switch that may cause this to not turn? |
steve norman
New member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:05 pm: |
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I am also looking for a set of marine exhaust manifolds for this motor 805 448-9236 |
John Cederstrom
New member
Username: runt
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 10:11 am: |
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I am looking for a marine version distributor for the V-6 super sabre engine. Someone installed an automotive distributor in my engine before I purchased it. Tha automotive version has a vacuum advance which causes the engine timing to be highly retarded at high RPM's in a marine application. A marine distributor uses only weights to advance the timing. Can anyone help me on this? |
steve norman
New member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 10:20 pm: |
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John, I may have an extra distributor I will know for sure in a week or two
Todd , did you get yours to turn over? |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1013
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 02:53 pm: |
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Just unhook the vac adv and the cent adv will do just that give you advance related to engine speed. However....
An automotive dist is very unsafe in a marine application as they are NOT explosion proof. All marine distributors are explosion proof. Which by the way is also a Coast Guard requirement just as a backfire trap in the carb air intake is. |
John Cederstrom
New member
Username: runt
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 08:16 am: |
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Steve: Let me know if you find that you have an extra marine distributor available for this engine. Thanks. |
steve norman
Member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 01:54 pm: |
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will do john, my package is not arriving until late next week so I wont know until I go through it next weekend. I will save the distributor for you if I have an extra one....I think I will but not 100% |
John Cederstrom
New member
Username: runt
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 10:56 pm: |
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Steve: Were you able to determine if you had an extra marine distributor for the OMC V-6? |
steve norman
Member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 11:45 am: |
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I have an extra one what are you willing to pay. It is in great condition |
John Cederstrom
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Username: runt
Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 05:53 pm: |
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Steve: I'd like to offer you $100 plus shipping costs for your distributor. I'm located in Bay City, MI.
John |
steve norman
Member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 6
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 09:10 pm: |
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ok john you may contact me at my email which is my username at yahoo, I want to get you a picture before you buy too. |
John Cederstrom
Member
Username: runt
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 08:24 am: |
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Steve: My e-mail sent to your yahoo account was rejected for some reason. Can you send picture and any other info you may have to my home e-mail address at [email protected] and I will reply.
John |
steve norman
Member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 7
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 12:51 pm: |
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john my email works fine it is
[email protected]
to spell it out, you cant cut and paste it, you must type it |
steve norman
Member
Username: normfins
Post Number: 8
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 12:53 pm: |
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I could not get your email to work either John call me at 805 683 6775 |
Tom Gilmore
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 11:04 pm: |
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I just acquired a 1966 Sky Lark with the Buick 225. The engine has not run in 10 years so when I got it home and changed all the fluids and plugs and wires I put the battery to it and it appears to be seized up. I'm gonna try to put the Marvel Mystery oil in the cylinders as recommended above and will respond as to how it works. If it dosen;t I may have parts to sale if anyone is interested. This motor only had 285 hours on it. |
Jim York
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 09:07 pm: |
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I have a 255 buick v6 marine engine complete in good condition. I bought the boat in late 1989 with a cracked hull. I dissassemble the boat with intentions of repairing it but never did. the engine has been stored inside ever since. It had a volvo outdrive which I sold but the engine mount, marine hardware and all eles still remain. It shouldn't be hard to start it. |
Mark Johnson
New member
Username: turfspray
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 06:10 pm: |
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Jim. Where are you ( the engine)? Any pics? [email protected]
I am in Florida |
Jim R
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| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 04:12 pm: |
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I also have one of these engines set up for an inboard-- It was a new engine for a 16' Gar Wood used for water skiing-- Had about 2-3 summers of use and then was stored-- I went back to the original Ace when I rebuilt the GW
seems the Universal was a nice marinization |
Jim Staib
Advanced Member
Username: drrot
Post Number: 46
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 07:25 am: |
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Jim R,
How did it perform? If originality were not a factor which would you prefer? Seems the Universal is a bit lighter and about 60HP more. Pros/Cons? |
Jerome F Lapham
Member
Username: dijo
Post Number: 10
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 08, 2010 - 12:00 pm: |
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Universal Utility Four boat motor
Mike:
I might be able to help. Send me your email. I have some parts and a year old price for running engine. |
Matt Towle
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| | Posted on Monday, March 29, 2010 - 04:55 pm: |
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I have a 225 in pieces. The heads were just rebuilt as well as the rockers. All parts including manifolds and risers.
Thanks. Matt 401-524-3249 [email protected] |
Matt Towle
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Username: matt_t
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Monday, March 29, 2010 - 05:11 pm: |
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Just registered. |
craig vernarsky
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Username: sabrev6colorado
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 05:49 am: |
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I have the SABRE V6 marine engine in a I think 62 larson with eaton out drive. I can take and will post some pictures ASAP of this boat. It is for sale. Long story but last on the water 3 years ago and the outdrive lost a gear. I disassembled it and found the broken gear but never got it replaced. The boat is big and heavy but that engine sure had some power and moved that old boat sure faster than it looked like it should go! would any body be interested? |
Mark Johnson
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Username: turfspray
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 06:26 am: |
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Where? |
craig vernarsky
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Username: sabrev6colorado
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 07:43 am: |
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In Colorado Pueblo |
Matt Towle
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Username: matt_t
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 09:22 am: |
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I have one in New England. Thanks. Matt |
craig vernarsky
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Username: sabrev6colorado
Post Number: 4
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 11:35 pm: |
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Universal Sabre V6 marine engine  |
Don Siefken
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| | Posted on Monday, November 15, 2010 - 08:31 pm: |
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I have a V-6 Buick engine in a 1968 Johnson Reveler 155 hp boat. bought for salvage/the trailer it sat on, it ran when I poured gas in the carb and cranked it a few years ago. Am pulling the engine and outdrive, and disposing of the hull soon. Engine and drive are for sale. Located in NW Arkansas. Boat was bought in Missouri, and last licensed in Michigan, so probably a fresh water boat. Email me if you're interested. |
craig vernarsky
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Username: sabrev6colorado
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 05:35 am: |
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After this winter (2010) I will be getting rid of this boat. Engine I will be scraping to the recycle yard. Seems nobody really wants to give it the attention it deserves (including me). Hopefully somebody will speak up before it is crushed or melted down. |
Mark Johnson
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Username: turfspray
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 02:21 pm: |
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Where is the boat? I could use the engine. I am in Florida. |
craig vernarsky
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Username: sabrev6colorado
Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:32 am: |
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Im in colorado near Denver (pueblo) |
Pete Thorn
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 07:55 pm: |
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Hi all, my gf just bought me a 1968 volero with the 6 cylinder buick engine. It runs, i want to tune it up before next spring. Where can I get a manual/specs on ignition parts, timing, etc.., I'm a good mechanic, just no experience at all with Marine, thanks. |
billy edwards
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:45 am: |
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I have one if these for sale, it ran great but the boat was scrapped and outdrive is long gone, it is the chris craft version. email me at [email protected] if you need a good one with low hours. Thanks.
Located in ontario, canada and will ship! |
Mike Broberg
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| | Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 02:29 am: |
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I see that the last post on this thread here is 2 years old so I don't know is anyone is still using this site but I am looking for a Saber engine for a 1963 Correct Craft. A later engine would be ok and I don't care if it doesn't run so long as it's not a cracked block. |
Mark Johnson
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Username: turfspray
Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2012 - 05:30 am: |
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Those of us still watch it. I believe mine is cracked too. Maybe someday. I have what I believe is a 1965 correct craft. |
Jim Staib
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Username: drrot
Post Number: 131
Registered: 09-2008
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see http://www.finewoodboats.com/ML%20engines.htm
there is a straight inboard model there |
Marty Mabe
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Username: martymabe
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 04:02 pm: |
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I have a 1967 Buick V-6 motor for sale. It came out of a Revely. I'm in NC
[email protected] |
David Eilers
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 02:55 am: |
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Hi All. I operate eWillys.com and one of my readers spotted your post and forwarded it to me today. Coincidently, I just found a parts book for sale on eBay for the marine V6 (I didn't know they made a marine V6).
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574766418&tool id=10001&campid=5337051334&customid=&icep_item=6621236022&ipn=psmain&icep_vector id=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg
I hope this helps some one out.
- David Eilers |
Robert Cunningham
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 - 01:50 pm: |
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I have 2 v-6 Christ Craft engines that came out of a 34 Chis Craft Aquahome. They have Volvo 250 I/O drives still attached. Over the winter with to much snow and poor blocking the hull was damaged beyond repair. Was going to install them in a repower of another houseboat. Sold the boat and no longer need the motors. $500.00 for the pair included the outdrives.218-600-0283 I'm here in northeastern Minnesota. |
Terry Jones
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I have a 1967 V-6 in a CHRYSLER boat. I believe it is a Buick maybe 225 or 231 C.I.D. rated possibly 156 H.P.
I am concerned about a little noise from the engine water pump. I called several marine supply dealers and after a while was told that the water pump is in the outdrive and what I need is the water circulation pump for the engine. They can't find parts books earlier than 1968 and one told me to just go to the local auto parts store and order a V-6 Buick water pump. I was asked there for casting numbers from the pump which are 1375737 and the next day I got a pump. It lined up well but two bolts were different lengths. I went to the store to get different bolts and when I told the man that, he went on a search because he said the automotive pump may cause the water to circulate the opposite direction which will cause the engine to overheat. After a half hour of searching he said to go ahead and put it on and if it is the wrong one the engine will overheat when we take it out and run it in the lake. Is there anyone who can find the correct pump for me? And where can I find information and pictures about the path the water circulates from the lake through the engine and and back to the lake? Also I have a SELOC OMC repair manual for 1964-1986 stern drive, but the engine pictures are not like my engine and it doesn't show how the cooling works. In one area I read something about a thermostat. Do they all have thermostats? I find no place on my V-6 that indicates there is a thermostat housing.
Thanks for any help and answers. |
Mark Johnson
Member
Username: turfspray
Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 14, 2013 - 02:55 am: |
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Pictures might help. I do not think they set this engine up for counter rotation from what was used automotively as that required a new cam, time etc. That was usually found in twin applications. There is a source pump usually in the outdrive or belt driven on an inboard models. Remembering that the water usually comes out the top of the engine in front, in what could be called the thermostat housing, it usually goes into the front of the exhaust manifold, thru and over the riser and out the exhaust. Again some pictures would help. See some of the earlier posts for reference. |
Charles Martin
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I hope someone who has info for me still reads this forum. I am trying to find out what other motors one can put in a 1971 Chris Craft Gull wing. I have the 155 OMC buick v6 and am wondering what will interchange with the cooling system from the original motor and what will line up with the johnson outdrive. Please contact me at [email protected] thank you. |
Mark Johnson
Member
Username: turfspray
Post Number: 9
Registered: 12-2006
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I have a V-6 buick Universal system complete. Something is cracked as water can get into the oil. I ran it years ago and it ran well. (that is when I found out something was cracked.) Engine, trans, etc. It is still mounted in the boat. 1966 Correct craft. I am going to sell/dispose of this rig as I will never get to restoring it. Anyone interested? Email me [email protected] |
