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Blair Goss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 112
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 09:41 pm: | 
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We just brought this little engine home from an auction. Thought we knew what it was when purchased, but once we checked through some literature and this site, I'm not sure what it is now. There doesn't seem to be any sign of where a tag would have been attached. Can you help?
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Thanks, Blair. |
miro forest
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 376
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 05:51 pm: |
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Any sign of an eccentric for a water pump?
Is there a thrust bearing on the rear of the crankcase?
miro |
J.B. Castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 454
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 08:12 pm: |
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The large water outlet looks like it could have been thermo siphon. |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 754
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 22, 2009 - 04:09 pm: |
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Some people used a forward facing funnel to pick up jacket water when under way. I wonder if this engine was intended for that style water pick up?? |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2100
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 22, 2009 - 08:53 pm: |
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The primary identifier on this engine is the vertically split crankcase, I entered that into my data base and came up with 7 mfgrs names, I found photos of each of the listed mfgrs but this engine does not match any of them and to the best of my recollection i've not seen this one before.
interesting that the crankcase halves look to be identical castings. The steel timer collar and handle and steel grease cups and lack of a water pump or evidence of where one would have mounted sort of makes me think this may have been a fresh water pump eng ????
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Scott Noseworthy
Senior Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 92
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 10:21 am: |
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Richard D I think you hit the nail on the head the four water jacket openings and the dome shape jacket were designed to make head pressure. |
Blair Goss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 113
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 08:49 pm: |
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Thanks everyone. No sign of a thrust bearing, Miro. The two base halves are identical castings, both have the extra little bulge at the top for the start of the transfer port.
No sign of an eccentric on the engine at present. But there is a turned section on the rear bearing which could have held a clamp-on pump similar to the one shown below. This would require a separate, keyed eccentric.
The four water jacket openings and potentially two intake openings (one plugged) made us think that maybe it was built so that the installer could choose on which side of the boat they wanted all the workings.
Tell me more about the fresh water pump engine with head pressure idea. What sort of setup does that refer to?
Richard, I'm surprised to hear about there being so few manufacturers with the vertically split crankcase. Does that include similar engines such as DisPro, Arrow, Waterman, Kingfisher as separate mfgrs or are they lumped together as one style?
Thanks again,
Blair |
RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2101
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 23, 2009 - 09:30 pm: |
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I excluded the copper topped engs, have 11 mfgrs listed with them included !
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Phil Gemeinhardt
Member
Username: philg
Post Number: 27
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, May 25, 2009 - 11:31 am: |
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Hi All, back in April 08 I posted this unknown engine on the site, I have re-pictured it here, it seems to be a "little brother" to the Goss's newest engine. There are alot of similarities, the outlet at the top of the cylinder is quite similar except this little engine only has one. This one also has a solid 9" flywheel, and it does have the verticle split crankcase. This one also has the machined area on the rear bearing where a pump could be mounted, similar to the red enging in Blair's last posting which I am assuming is a McKeeough & Trotter. With a little luck maybe we will be able to identify both of these little engines.
Phil |
Keith Billet
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 250
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 25, 2009 - 07:13 pm: |
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Phil,
I see two of what appear to be identical mixers in the one picture. Are they Waterman mixers?
Keith |
Phil Gemeinhardt
Member
Username: philg
Post Number: 30
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 10:45 pm: |
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Keith, They are actually Breeze Carbs, the lower one has a in-line check valve in it. I picked that carb up at a yard sale. The other carb came with this little engine - but I don't know if it helps id the engine or not since I can't verify it as the original carb. I do know for sure that these particular carbs were used on Waterman Outboards - 1910, but I'm sure they were used in other applications as well. |
B. Goss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 184
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 06:52 pm: |
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Hello all,
A couple weekends ago I was thumbing through Wendel's BYB and stumbled onto something close to this unknown. Page 168 - Lincoln H. Fey Co., Northfield, Minnesota.
Does anyone have any other info/photos/ads from this company? There are definitely some similarities and some differences.
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