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billschaller
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Username: billschaller
Post Number: 194
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 10:13 pm: | 
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How about everyone post pictures of Big Twins, preferably 2 cycle.
I will start off with a 15 HP FM, and a 24 HP Gray, and an unknown.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1968
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2009 - 11:53 pm: |
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The photos of this heavy Duty Gray Marine Model T were taken at Calvert Show in 2006.
Dual Carbs each cylinder - starts on gasoline runs on kerosene has governor on timer !
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1969
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:34 am: |
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Not a Big twin about 10 Hp but an engine not seen often, an original pre 1910 Termaat & Monahan !
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 221
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 10:24 am: |
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Only 20 t0 24 HP but its big. 3,500 lbs.
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bgoss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 83
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2009 - 08:47 pm: |
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Bill, good topic. That is one oddball unknown.
Keith, what is the make of that one? Do you have a photo of the flywheel end?
Here is a monster Kahlenberg that makes it's home at the Muskoka Pioneer Power Association (Bracebridge, ON). Thought to be 1904-1917?
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 222
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 09, 2009 - 03:02 pm: |
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Barry, the above is a Kahlenberg.
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speedboy
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Username: speedboy
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 11:57 am: |
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2 cycle 10 hp Lathrop twin, 4 cycle 12 hp Peerless twin in background.
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speedboy
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Username: speedboy
Post Number: 6
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 12:00 pm: |
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4 cycle 10 hp long Island twin. This is a neat engine. Has pressure lubrication, overhead valves with crossflow heads and a counter weighted crankshaft. This is the only one they built.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1983
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 05:19 pm: |
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Dan
Cool old twins, The Long Island is exceptional! Thanks for posting the photos !
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bgoss
Senior Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 08:01 pm: |
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Very nice group! Thanks for sharing. |
scott_n
Senior Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 74
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 08:51 am: |
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hear is a lathrup that Ernie found for the Seaport
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robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 245
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 02:34 pm: |
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The Gray Model T is a beauty!
Nice to see those photos of a gas Kahlenberg, very rare. |
lou
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Username: lou
Post Number: 5
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 02:56 pm: |
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Speedboy:
What kind of engine is the funny T-Head with a tag on the spoked flywheel? I have one similar but do not know the manufacturer. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1985
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 05:38 pm: |
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Lou
Post some photos of your unknown engine maybe we can put a name on it and an approx mfg date !
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 224
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 09:39 pm: |
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Lou,
In his first post, Speedboy identified it as a "Peerless". I have one that is similar. If my memory is correct, it was made in New York. |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 246
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 04:32 pm: |
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Pretty sure I have a flywheel off one of those Peerless. It looks identical and I've never seen anything similar. Would be a smaller one though. |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 206
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 06:01 pm: |
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unknown, from west coast
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john_archibald
Senior Member
Username: john_archibald
Post Number: 99
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 08:12 pm: |
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Here are two Atlantic Twins and an Acadia 5 Hp single awaiting more work. I have better images, but this single shot captures the essence of them all.
Archibald
Northfield, Minnesota
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billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 207
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 10:54 pm: |
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I got to say I like this one.
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scott_n
Senior Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 80
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 08:26 am: |
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I got to say I like this one to Fay & Bowen weir always ahead of their time |
robert
Senior Member
Username: robert
Post Number: 250
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 11:33 am: |
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In what way were they ahead of their time? (I'm curious!) |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 212
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 01:12 am: |
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here are a couple more of the fay and bowen.
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billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 213
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 01:24 am: |
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here is a picture of Keith's very pretty Fay and Bowen, just to show how truly spectacular they can be, and a couple of other Twins.
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john_archibald
Senior Member
Username: john_archibald
Post Number: 100
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 10:25 am: |
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Bill,
Is that a Kyko Fan in the background on the previous set of images or a Lakeside?
Archibald
Northfield, Minnesota |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 215
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 11:52 am: |
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john,
I do not know, those pictures were taken at the 2003 Kinzer show in Pennsylvania.
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brian_t
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Username: brian_t
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 09:04 pm: |
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Hot air fan is a Lake Breeze |
john_archibald
Senior Member
Username: john_archibald
Post Number: 102
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 09:11 pm: |
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Brian,
Right you are! I couldn't think of the name when I wrote; it was on the tip of my tongue.
Thanks for that.
Archibald
Northfield, Minnesota |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2008
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 12:44 pm: |
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Scott N on another thread wanted to know about what year is this Fay & Bowen Big Twin That Bill schaller posted.
Thanks Bill - With Really good photos like this and also one of the tag it really helps in dating engs.
The tag helps with patent date of 1902, that says that this eng design was probably mfgrd a year or two earlier !
The tag also has the Lake Geneva address which was 1904 at earliest !
This 1902 ad was the very oldest photo ad I could find and shows the Auburn, New York address
1902
This 1904 photo ad of a standard Gas engine like above ad but a twin, and the company had moved westward two finger lakes to water front location on Lake Geneva!
1904
The engine above in Bills post shows up in a 1911
ad-- And what a great old Marine Engine it is !!
1911
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scott_n
Senior Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 82
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 04:29 pm: |
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Good stuff thanks guys Scott |
keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 232
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 09:54 pm: |
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Richard,
If my memory is correct, my Fay & Bowen is serial no 335 and it was made in Geneva. The Auburn engines had a cast tag. I know of an Auburn engine that has a serial no. in the 500 range. They evidently started over with serial numbers after moving. I consider my engine early in the Geneva production. The exhaust manifolds on the early engines pointed straight back horizontally. My engine was drilled for straight back, than plugged and angled down. I assumed that the factory had machined blocks on hand at the time of the change, and modified then for the change. The Geneva engines are shown with the manifold angling down at 45 degrees. It is also interesting that they serialized the cylinders, not the engines. The engine which Bill has posted pictures, has a tag on both cylinders, and they are consecutive serial numbers. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2013
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 02:18 am: |
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Seems The Fay & Bowen Kerosene Convertible was made as early as 1908-09, this is an early 1909 article.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2014
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 10:59 am: |
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Keith
This Fay & Bowen single was for sale a while back,only two serial numbers from the Kerosene engine in above posts and many engines after your early single, looking closely at the exhaust appears they were still redrilling for the angled down exhaust ?
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 234
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 02:58 pm: |
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Richard,
It's a little hard to tell. There are holes for the water passage. Bruce Hall now owns the engine and can maybe enlighten us. I am attaching pictures of my engine prior to restoration.
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 235
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 02:59 pm: |
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billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 216
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 12:03 pm: |
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a couple of Straubels from Wisconsin. I just love that oiler. If anyone has an extra flywheel, or a set of carbs for these, I need them.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2018
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 02:34 pm: |
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Biil
Thanks for the post, these cool old engines have been of interest for some time, very little in the way of advertising and I've not seen a catalog?
My notes say that Straubel Machine Co. In 1909 moved into their new and modern brick shop in Green Bay and was composed of three brothers all accomplished machinists and marine engine builders for pleasure boats, tugs, fishing boats, etc .
This is only my out loud thinking here -- I have always thought that these engines were Barber Bros of New York in basic design ? The steel plate support underneath, the mounting legs below the crankshaft and yet they all were 3 port engines. Barber Bros being one of the very first American mfgrs to pay for the rights to use the Engish patent??
The very unique waterpump support bracket and intake castings are for sure Straubel characteristics ?
Rare 1909 ad
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billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 217
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 03:26 pm: |
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Richard,
Thank you for the ad. I went to an auction in Baraboo Wisconsin, and they had 5 or so Straubels for sale. I needed the above engines like a hole in the head, but I liked how it looked with the oiler, so I bought the one. and, then I had to buy the second one to get the correct carburetors.
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keith
Senior Member
Username: keith
Post Number: 237
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 03:54 pm: |
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Here's two more. Don't remember where the pictures came from.
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philg
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Username: philg
Post Number: 23
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2009 - 07:28 pm: |
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Hi All, I don't know if this Hill Diesel qualifies as a big twin in marine engines or not, but it was used to run the pump on a barge and it was water cooled, with a water cooled manifold. Overall it is 4 1/2' tall and has a 33" flywheel - but it is only 12 HP. I have had this engine for 40 years and have never gotten around to playing with it - maybe one of these days. I apologize for the condition of the tag pictue, I will try to get another in more favorable conditions and post it then. |
matt
Senior Member
Username: matt
Post Number: 93
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 04:55 am: |
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I know its a diesel but this Kelvin twin 22hp is in a vessel called The Protex which is part of the Sydney heritage fleet.
The boat,not the engine celebrated its first hundred years this weekend in great style by ferrying around passengers as part of Sydney harbour week.
It is without a doubt the biggest 22hp engine i have seen.
Matt and Ron   |
