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ron harper
New member
Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 12:28 am: | 
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i just acquired this old straight miniature 4 cylinder flat head engine with manual 3 speed transmission w/reverse. transmission gear box says T73-1 warner gear co. munice indiana. all over the engine it says tenual. stamped on the block is tenual D1347,on top of head has 01365 stamped. does anybody out there know what this engine was made for and where was it made? and roughly what year? i believe its a 1920's-1930's inboard? i dont know i cant find anything about it,can you help me out please.thanx for your time. i want to restore it but first i have to find out what i have. |
ron harper
New member
Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 01:01 am: |
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Eric Schulz
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Username: eric_schulz
Post Number: 47
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 06:35 pm: |
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Ron, I'm surprised that no one has answered your question. Although I have never seen one, I would say this engine came from an American Bantam car. Do a Google search.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't think boats used 3 speed gear boxes.
The name Tenual is the brand name of The National Bronze & Aluminum Foundry Co, Cleveland.
Eric |
ron harper
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Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 06:59 pm: |
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thanx eric,i will do some more research. |
Bruce Hall
Senior Member
Username: bruce
Post Number: 189
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 08:02 pm: |
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Although an auto engine pictured-Brennan Engine company in Syracuse NY did use the Bantom 4cyl in some of their Brennan IMP series marine engine (roughly rated at 25 hp)offerings/applications |
ron harper
Member
Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 09:32 pm: |
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this little engine is pretty wild,it has distributor running off a starter it appears to me that it has 2 starters. |
ron harper
Member
Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 09:37 pm: |
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and the intake manifold is connected to exhaust manifold,pretty strange.if i cant find out anything about it to repair/rebuild it im probably going to sell it. |
Lawrence T Wolfe
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Username: larry_from_maryland
Post Number: 333
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 12:55 pm: |
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Thats a gear drive generator with the distributor. The same set up is used on wisconsen 2 cylinder engines, that don't use mags. Haveing the intake and exhaust connected is common on old tractors and trucks. |
ron harper
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Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 04:33 pm: |
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oh ok |
William Schaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 190
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 10:11 pm: |
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ron, If you have the original larger pictures without the white lines, send them to me, and I will repost them so we can see better.
Bill Schaller |
ron harper
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Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 06:32 pm: |
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ok,i will Bill Schaller. thank you. |
William Schaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 191
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2008 - 10:54 am: |
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here are a few of Ron's photos without the line. Ron, if you resend me the original picture 133 without the line, I will post that, too.
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ron harper
Member
Username: bambam11336
Post Number: 9
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2008 - 04:01 pm: |
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MUCH BETTER THANX BILL |
Andrew Helgeson
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 02:08 pm: |
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This is an American Austin Engine. 1930-1932. American Austins were built in Butler, PA until 1934 (late), then after re-organizing, the American Bantam Car Co. - 1938-1940, the "inventors" of the JEEP. |
miro forest
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Username: miro
Post Number: 566
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 08:44 am: |
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I don't think this is a marine engine.
The exhaust manifold casting is pointed upward and there is no provision for water cooling the exhaust gases by injecting the outlet of the cooling water.
The 3 speed transmission tells me it is for land based use - marine engines have Forward - neutral and reverse only - no need for multiple gear ratios.
But it is a very interesting artifact.
miro |
Laurie Derwent
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Username: laurie_d
Post Number: 90
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 06:57 pm: |
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It seems this question going back to 2008 has resurfaced. The use of car engines in boats (and not just for ski boats) was fairly common in my youth in Oz. While many had factory conversions including gearboxes and heat exchangers some were more basic. My uncles had a 4 cyl Jeep motor with Jeep gearbox in their boat used to tow oyster punts for many years. The family folk lore is that they only changed down to low gear and opened the throttle once. The boat took off and left the two blokes who were standing at the stern in the water. Generally the motors were run at low revs to avoid thrust problems. |
David Coe
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| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 10:50 am: |
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It appears that the last use for this engine was a a stationary engine with a belt drive. Possibly to run a conveyor or some other piece of farm equipment. If this was last used in a marine application I would expect to see a wedge shaped adapter between the updraft carb and the intake manifold so the carb would sit level when the motor was in a boat. |
Matt Morehouse
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Username: matt_morehouse
Post Number: 84
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 11:55 am: |
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That was my first impression when I saw that flat belt pulley. It looks like it has lived on that mount for years and that is certainly not a marine mount.
Lack of a water cooled exhaust doesn't disqualify it as marine, it could have been dry stack on a small workboat. |
Matt Morehouse
Senior Member
Username: matt_morehouse
Post Number: 85
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 11:59 am: |
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Just took another look. That three speed looks to be bolted to a marine tranny. This might argue that it was originally a drystack marine unit. |
Dale L James
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Username: abbuff
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 01, 2011 - 01:51 am: |
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It's a 1930-32 American Austin engine and transmission, looks like it may have been used to run a piece of machinery |
Carol Peck
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| | Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2011 - 03:22 am: |
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There is a Brennan engine similar to the one in the picture posted, lying along the shore of Lake Ontario, Wolcott, NY, at Chimney Bluffs State Park. I saw it on July 19, 2011. If anyone is interested in it, I can give more detail so you can find it. It does look to be quite heavy, but if someone contacted the State Parks Commission they could probably get it out for you. |
