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Jim T
Member
Username: brownboat
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 06:10 pm: | 
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Am looking for a replacement oil breather cap/dipstick for a Palmer IH60 HD Engine #5842659 and a accessory drive belt between water pump and alternator. Belt pulleys suggest a flat belt with treads. Belt would be approx 1 1/8 to 1 1/4 wide and 18-18.5 inches long. Not the typical V-belt on most accessory drive pulleys. Any suggestions?
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Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 196
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:51 pm: |
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Check with Valu-Built and Steiner Tractor Parts for the oil breather cap |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 197
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 11:55 pm: |
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The IH tractor engine is designated C60. The Palmer is P-60. |
Jim T
Member
Username: brownboat
Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 01:19 pm: |
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Thanks for the suggestions, neither had the part according to their online catalog. Will keep looking. Jim |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 198
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 01, 2007 - 02:25 pm: |
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Did you look at Steiner Tractor part # IHS406. Looks a lot like it but does not show attached dip stick on "view image". |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 519
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 08:01 pm: |
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Engine #5842659 was marinized by "The Palmer Engine Co." in 1959. Of the large number of M-60 AKA P-60s that I have heard of this is a first with a flat belt drive on the alternator. I suspect it was not shipped from the factory with that belt drive set up. I would suggest going to a belt supply house for a replacement. One needs to keep in mind the full title for the IHC C-60 tractor engine is CUB LO-BOY, C-60. Don't talk Palmer to the IHC tractor dealer they will think you are losing it. You probably can get a useable dip stick from any IHC tractor dealer but keep in mind the local IHC truck dealers and tractor dealers may be totally different operations. If you find a used dipstick make sure you clean the breather in gasoline to remove and residual dust as the PCV system which is used on the Marine conversion isn't used in tractor application. In effect you will be sucking the old tractor dust into the crankcase via the PCV system if you don't clean the filter in the top of the dip stick. Hope this helps. |
wayne marblehead
Visitor
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 - 10:41 pm: |
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I have a IH 60 (22 hp) palmer, I am refurbishing it and was thinking that it might be a good idea to fresh water cool it - its going to be in salt water.
Does anyone have a list of parts and suppliers to accomplish this?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
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William J. Champion
New member
Username: bill_champion
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 10:39 am: |
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You might want to try Moyer Marine's Atomic 4 site (http://moyermarine.com). The A4 is very similar to the Palmer M60. I believe Don Moyer has some schematics for fresh water cooling that could be easily adapted to your M60 |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 199
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 12:25 pm: |
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Wayne, Idigo Elecronics makes a fresh water cooling system for the Atomic 4. It should work for a P-60 except that you would have to fabricate a bracket and figure out a way to run the raw water pump. |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 200
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 12:27 pm: |
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Typo, sorry. That's "Indigo Electronics" |
Richard Shapiro
Advanced Member
Username: mainesails
Post Number: 44
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 10:59 pm: |
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Electric FW pump?? |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 201
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 01:44 am: |
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Richard, look up Indigo Electronics site!!!!!! They have a kit for upgrading an Atomic4 raw cooling system to a heat exchanger type system. |
wayne marblehead
Visitor
| | Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 09:17 pm: |
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thanks for the leads, the Atomic 4 set up's look like they would work out with a bit of effort. Getting a pully on the front of the flywheel to run the pump looks like an issue. does anyone know if there is a stock item that can bolt in to the holes that the hand crank attachment uses. Other wise I guess something will have to be fabricated. |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 202
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:54 am: |
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Wayne, buddy, pal, Palmer went out of business over 30 years ago. For all practical purposes you are dealing with an antique. If you want to go the fresh water route, you will have to do some jury rigging. Atomic4s are of a similiar size, power and even appearance but they share little else, save the carburator and thermostat (raw water). Atomic4s have the advantage in that they are more numerous and have good aftermarket support. Palmer P-60s do not. Be sure you know what you are up against before you venture into any major mecanical adventures with a P-60. |
Kevin Tackaberry
New member
Username: ktack7
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 09:17 am: |
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I am a collector of International trucks, tractors, memoribilia, etc. I also have a few wooden boats. I'm looking for a International/Palmer marine engine for my collection. I would appreciate any information available.
Kevin Tackaberry
[email protected] |
Jeff Bernor
Visitor
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 09:27 am: |
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I'm looking for a Flywheel for an International Palmer Marine engine. I am having trouble finding anything for it. If anyone has information to help, it would be very helpful and much appreciated. |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 218
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 05:57 pm: |
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The flywheel and crankshaft are unique to the Palmer and different from the IH tractor engine. The flywheel must be repaired or gotten off of a scrapped Palmer P-60 engine. Palmer has been out of business for over 30 years and there is not enough Palmer P-60 engines left in existance to warrant after market production of parts peculiar to that engine. |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 660
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 07:43 am: |
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I have a good slight surface rust P-60 flywheel Sent you an e mail on 08-18-2008. Guess you didn't get it. |
Bill Gilbert
New member
Username: bill_g
Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - 04:19 pm: |
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I am looking for an exhaust manifold for a palmer 60 engine. would consider purchasing a complete motor if necessary. |
rob t.
Visitor
| | Posted on Sunday, August 09, 2009 - 08:46 pm: |
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i am looking for a distributor adapter for a bd 264(international harvester) six cyl. palmer engine w/ delco distributor. adapter goes into side of block has two "ears" on it to lock distibutor,the lower portion of the adapter supports the oil pump shaft it's eaten two cams in the last 20 years.any leads would be helpful thanks rob |
Jeff Bernor
Visitor
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 02:11 pm: |
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i have an International Palmer Marine Engine. i am still searching for a flywheel, but was curious if i could use a different flywheel on it with the same measurements and amount of teeth as the original flywheel. how well would that work? |
Eric Hanses
Visitor
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 03:42 pm: |
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Jeff, I have a complete P-60 I'm taking out so I can repower with a diesel. Want some parts? The engine ran fine.
Eric
[email protected] |
Richard P Loud
New member
Username: shipmate
Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 06:40 pm: |
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Good day to all;
I am in need of a intake/exhaust manifold for a P-60, I also have a spear fly wheel off a P-60.
need help
Rick |
Mark Duncan
Visitor
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 02:28 am: |
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I recently acquired a International Palmer self regulating alternator, 240 volt, 50 kw, 132 amp, 3 phase, 60 cycle, powered by a International UD 18-50-3P-12 engine. Seems to be in operating condition. Alt rebuilt. Looking for any information to restore or possibly part. |
Mark Duncan
Visitor
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 02:31 am: |
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I recently acquired a International Palmer self regulating alternator, 240 volt, 50 kw, 132 amp, 3 phase, 60 cycle, powered by a International UD 18-50-3P-12 engine. Seems to be in operating condition. Alt rebuilt. Looking for any information to restore or possibly part. email [email protected] or call 541-619-5205 |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 865
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 04:46 pm: |
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I am sorry but I have no info on this rare bird.
Will be interested in what you come up with. I doubt Palmer built the alternator and their normal practice was to make no changes on the basic engine which were not direct bolt on/off items. I would look to the International folks for engine detail and alternator maker for his guidance. 3 Phase alternators are pretty straight forward and any competent mechanic with alternator exsperience should be able to help sorting out the control panel. Typicaly when alternators get to be 50 KVA they have a separate electrical control panel from the engine controls |
Lonny Brown
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - 11:18 am: |
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Repower in couple weeks so I have M60 parts for sale email me at [email protected] I will send pics and details |
Marie Lindell
Visitor
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 11:25 am: |
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Does anyone have a water pump for the Palmer engine? The pump is a Sherwood E-20. Please email me at [email protected] |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 247
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 09:46 am: |
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The only way that you can get the entire pump is from a scrapped Palmer engine as Palmer went out of busines 35 years ago. You sould be able to get a rebuild kit from a marine store giving the Sherwood number. |
steven john page
Member
Username: fairbanks
Post Number: 28
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 10:22 am: |
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Hello Marie, I bought a sherwood pump on Ebay a while ago for a project and never used it, if you can post a photo of your sherwood and its the same model , then the pump is yours as it is of no use to me anymore, kind regards,steve. (UK). |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 866
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 02:47 pm: |
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Where can one get the rubber impeller for the Sherwood E-20??? |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 1200
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 04:21 pm: |
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Pump info from Sherwood http://www.sherwoodpumps.com/en-us/
E20
Engine Model: I.H. 60 (Palmer)
Engine Part Number:
Pump Availability: Obsolete
Sherwood Replacement Pump: None Available
Impeller Kit: 10077K
Minor Repair Kit:
Major Repair Kit:
Inlet Port: 1/2" NPT
Outlet Port: 1/2"NPT
Impeller
Sherwood Impeller 10077K
Sherwood Rubber Impeller Kit Includes: Impeller, O-ring, Gaskets, and Technical Guide
Impeller Information
Width: 25/32" (20mm)
Diameter: 2-1/4" (57mm)
Material: Neoprene
Just Google "Sherwood Impeller 10077K" and they are available all over the place
Hope this helps
Ernie |
Andrew Menkart
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 05:02 pm: |
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It's even available as a Mallory replacment
Mallory 9-45716
See:
Mallory catalog |
John Bergeron
New member
Username: pondman
Post Number: 1
Registered: 07-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2010 - 07:16 am: |
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I have a Chris Craft Aquahome with twin 225 V6 - I am looking for a Sherwood cooling pump A16 - this is now obsolete. Anyone have suggestin on a replacement? |
Paul Law
Visitor
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 04:39 pm: |
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I have an Islander 36 with a Palmer P-60 motor. I need a replacement Sherwood E-20 pump. The current pump has been rebuilt several times and leaks badly. Does anyone have a pump or perhaps a P-60 motor for sale? |
kevin stone
Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 22
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 09:07 am: |
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has any one had any luck on finding rebuild kits? The only items I find on sherwood website is impeller. Also does anyone have any tips on the rebuild? Our pump is leaking from the hole on the bottom.
Kevin |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 874
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 07:55 am: |
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I have a good E-20 Pump. Send me an E-mail. |
Matthew Lennarz
Member
Username: mlennarz
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2010
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 08:49 am: |
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Your leak is likely a worn seal, which is included in a new major rebuild kit (actually there are two seals).
I just did a major rebuild on my E20. Kits available at: http://www.pumpvendor.com/Sherwood_E-20.html
But you may want to take Richard up on his offer for a good E20.
As for the rebuild, I didn't have any schematics, and the only challenge I had was getting the old bearings off the shaft. There are two sets of bearings back-to-back with a retaining clip in between. I didn't know this at the time, and used brute force to break one of the bearing casings, then I saw the retainer clip and could remove the other bearing much easier. I'm sure Richard or someone has a much better way to remove the old bearings! Other than that, the rebuild went smoothly and it is operating well with no leaks. |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 252
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 12:53 pm: |
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P-60 waterpmp blueprint 1of4 |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 253
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 01:06 pm: |
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waterpump,prt2 |
Eddie Ross
Senior Member
Username: eddie
Post Number: 254
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 01:09 pm: |
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waterpump #3 |
Matthew Lennarz
Member
Username: mlennarz
Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2010
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 01:20 pm: |
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Thanks Eddie!
Is there anyway to get the full JPG file including the key for the numbered items?
Thanks,
Matt |
kevin stone
Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 23
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 05:45 pm: |
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thanks for the source on the kit. I also emailed Dick about the spare pump. I have a file with the pump specs email me and I can send it
Kevin |
kevin stone
Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 24
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 09:00 am: |
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Did a web search for E-20MJK found rebuild kits for 193.00 |
Matthew Lennarz
Member
Username: mlennarz
Post Number: 6
Registered: 06-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 09:11 am: |
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Hey, that's definitely better than at Pumpvendor.com!
Can you share the URL? |
Matthew Lennarz
Member
Username: mlennarz
Post Number: 7
Registered: 06-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 09:13 am: |
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BTW, I have a spare stainless steel Sherwood E-20 Water Pump shaft that I paid $115 for. If anyone needs it, let me know. |
kevin stone
Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 08:00 am: |
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The folks at moyer marine tell me than can modify there flange pump to fit a palmer.
Dick, thank you for the replacement pump it is working drip free.
Kevin |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 886
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2010 - 04:50 pm: |
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Glad it worked out for you |
Wychwoodcraft
Visitor
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2011 - 01:33 pm: |
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I have two P60 Palmers forsale. One is a runner one has been stored but both are complete. They will go for a song and have to move out soon.
They're located in Toronto and have never seen salt water.
email me at: [email protected]
or telephone at: 416 528 6622
John |
kevin stone
Advanced Member
Username: kdstone
Post Number: 38
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 10:03 am: |
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Hello everyone, I have 2 Sherwood e20 water pumps I want to rebuild. All of the rebuild kits I find have no shaft. Has anyone had any luck finding replacement shafts? We just about to pull and rebuild the Palmer and would like to rebuild the leaky pumps also.
Thanks in advance
Kevin |
Chad Toth
Member
Username: chad4402
Post Number: 12
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 09:46 pm: |
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Looking for a Lobee 2 vane water pump for a early 1900 Van Blerck engine can anyone help??? |
