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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 544
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 05:10 pm: | 
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Here are before pics of my new YT 1. Yes I actually took before pics this time.
This engine was bought used from Palmer in about 1959. It is actually a 1947. It is complete original to include the owners manual and pics of the boat it was in. It was used in the Oyster Bay, NY area.
It needs a cylinder, so... the YT 1 I have now will become a parts engine. It is actually the back half of a YT 2 so that being the case I don't mind taking it apart. I'm quite sure it is going to loose it's cylinder and head to the new one.
I'm lucky to have this one as I know most of it's history.
Thanks Tony!
The boat it was in.
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J.B. Castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 225
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 09:11 pm: |
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Nice find Ernie, looks complete. Wasn't the YT2 rear head reversed? |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 545
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 07:47 am: |
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I think so. I was actually refering to the front/rear bearing/camshaft housing on my old one being from a YT2. It has no boss for an oiler, only a 1/8 npt hole where the oil line would have gone. |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 459
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 08:59 am: |
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The YT-2 aft head is a mirror image of the forward head. The cylinders are not. Ernie should have a nice engine when he get done. The serial no. of Ernie's YT- is 121 up from my
YT-1. 3260847 vice 3248747 YT-1 production ended in 1947 but a few were assembled from parts in 1948. Some of the YT parts were used in the first production run of the 1949 BH. This didn't work out as the needle bearing rusted out on the crankshaft due to leaking seals. A new Palmer designed crankshaft was produced and Timken Roller bearings with lip seals were installed. This Model was called the BHT and came out in 1950. No furter problems with the crankshaft and seals was encountered. |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 547
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 02:54 pm: |
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More pics. I made some skids so it is sort of portable. Note the water jacket or lack there of. The head is good so I just need a cylinder. Coil box is back together just needs stain and varnish and the brass polished. Coil also reconditioned. This engine is a 1947 and was purchased used from Palmer in the late 50s. I wonder if they made it from used and new parts? The cylinder is obviously junk, but the head is like new. Also the carb is wrong. The 1947 engine should have had a Zenith carb with backfire trap not the Meyer carb that is on it. Dick am I correct on this?
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 548
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 03:00 pm: |
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Here is the rest of the water jacket and fittings
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Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 463
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 10:44 pm: |
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Interesting.That style brass intake manifold went out about 1937 if I understood Ray Bolling. By the mid 1930s responible boat people were putting marine carburetors and backfire traps on their engines even if they didn't come from the factory. The days of the copper or brass pan with the brass mesh screen to catch the carburetor drip from side and updraft carburetors were coming to an end. In 1937 Palmer Bros. switched to the Zenith 61 style marine carburetor. This carburetor was identical to the industrial version widely used on air cooled gas engines except for the slant intake air throat with pick up tube in the bottom to pick up fuel left from choking to start and it was fitted with a backfire trap. The brass intake manifold is similar to the one on your engine except the bolt holes in the SAE style flange on the carburetor end are farther apart to meet the 61 mounting cap screws. I have found the brass intake manifold like yours with the carburetor flange slotted so the 61 carburetor will mount up with the intake manifold. In one case I needed one for a Mayer carburetor so I just filled in the brass with braze and milled it up to clean it up and I was back in business. I believe the Mayer carburetor came out with the 1914 Buick automobile. The clicking of the 1937 crankcase breather valve will drive you nuts. It makes more noise that the exhaust. The old brass version are essentially dead quiet. They also bolt right up to the same bolt spacing as the 1937 version. The 1940 Safe Boating act required backfire traps etc. but by that time all boat builders and engine makers were dealing with that serious fire problem probably because they didn't want to get sued. |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 608
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 02:53 pm: |
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Didn't have any luck finding a cylinder. So I decided to fix this one. I am quite sure it will be ok for a show engine. If I ever want to use it in a boat I will use the cylinder from my other YT1. The repairs were done with JB weld and PC 7 Epoxy. I didn't want to go to the trouble of putting a cylinder drain back in it. So I just drilled and tapped the water inlet elbow. The area where the cylinder drain was located was completly gone. The only reason I repaired this one was due to the fact that all of the hard rust cleaned out very easily. With the whole bottom of the cylinder off it was actually real easy. Note the hole in the back of the intake runner. I inserted a piece of copper tubing and sealed it with epoxy like the rest of the repairs. In the bottom picture you can just see the casting ID. IT says YT.
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Doug Kimball
Advanced Member
Username: doug11k
Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 07:36 pm: |
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Jeekers Ernie,
You're scary! |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 471
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 08:23 pm: |
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Very nice work Ernie. |
J.B. Castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 231
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 08:47 pm: |
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That's more of a resurection than a repair. Good work. |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 609
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 12:24 pm: |
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Jeekers??? Thanks guys
I think fixing one one like this is related to how it rusted. Every once in a while one shows up that the rust isn't that black hard kind. All the rust crumbles and just about turns to loose granules. Also there isn't any of the little rust colored droplets on the surface of the rust inside the water jacket. In fact this is the 3rd one I have done. Bob Longs Lathrop 3 HP, A BH Palmer and this YT. The lathrop was just as bad as the YT if not worse. All 3 of these engines were in salt water. The Lathrop somewhere in CT, The BH was on Nantucket IS, MA and the YT was in Oyster Bay, NY off Long Island Sound. When I am done I also fill the water jacket with real zinc chromate paint that has been thinned to the consistancy of water. Shake it around and then let it drain out. Bob's Lathrop has been done for about 10 years now and still looks perfect. |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 616
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 08:13 pm: |
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It runs!
Now I need to rebuild the carb. Then clean the rest of it for paint. I saw no need to take it apart as it was very clean inside. Appeared to have a coat of red paint in the crankcase.
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 617
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 08:19 pm: |
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Here is the coil
Stained decaled and varnished
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Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 484
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:12 pm: |
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Ernie,It was customary for many years to coat the crankcase inside with red lead. This sealed the pores in the cast iron which would trap very fine silica sand from the molding process that no amount of tumbling/flushing would remove. Not having any more red lead I use epoxy paint which works just fine. |
Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 618
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 09:28 pm: |
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The carb needs to be painted black. It runs real good and starts easily.
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 619
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 06:32 pm: |
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Done till it gets warm. When I get it outside I will clean the rest of it for paint.
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 622
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 05:16 pm: |
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Ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 625
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 08:30 pm: |
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Ran it for about 2 hours tonight. Epoxy is sure great stuff! No leaks in the water jacket and nice even temp all over. |
Billy Joe Groom
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 09:13 pm: |
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I'm restoring an old 1929 palmer YT-1, I am looking to purchase a cylinder head. Can anyone help me, also If Richard Day could contact me I would greatly appreciate it. my shop phone is four one zero, eight six seven, seven seven eight eight. the email I'm providing is my sons, but he will forward the responses to me. I'm located in Southern Anne Arundel County Maryland
Billy Groom |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 506
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 05:51 pm: |
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Billy and I made contact after about a 30 year lapse this morning. We had a great discussion and if JB suceeds with his YT head project Billy's YT head problem can be solved. |
