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robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 125
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 02:42 pm: | 
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I'm posting these for another member:
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ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie
Post Number: 433
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 07:56 pm: |
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Pretty sure it's a Gray and Hawley. Page 215 in the "yellow book" The cover on the side doesn't look original. The one I had had a funny bracket and spring that was actually the check valve and mixer. The needle valve and fuel inlet was there as well. You can just see the bracket and spring in the pic in the "book"
Hope this helps
Ernie |
robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 126
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 12:45 am: |
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Thanks Ernie, I don't have the yellow book (would like to get it though!), but in the Gray(son) book it is described as Gray-Hawley Mfg. Co. of Detroit, MI, trade-name "Little Skipper". You're right I'm sure, that plate does not look original. Can anyone add to our knowledge? |
bill s
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| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 03:10 am: |
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for around $175, you can by the BYB almost weekly on ebay. I had to settle for the BRB book when it was still in print. The BYB has better pictures.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=4507696552&rd= 1&
BYB= Big yellow book
BRB= Big Red book.
they will probably not be reprinted any time soon, so if you see one at a reasonable cost, you should buy it. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 636
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 10:25 am: |
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When I looked into Gray-Hawley they were a mfging Co. that made many marine items but not sure they ever mfgd engines, seems in 1908 they bought the engine inventory of the St Clair Motor Co.Detroit and sold them untill they were gone and all later ads for Gray- Hawley didn't mention engines.
H.D. Baird was the designer of the engine and applied for patents in 1905-06. Ad is 1906
Notice in the list of fuels " BLUE BLAZE" What's that ?? Possible that has something to do with the old saying BLUE BLAZES ??
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 671
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 12:28 pm: |
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More To The Story
St Clair Motor Co. 1905-1908
Gray Hawley 1908--?
Monarch Tool & Mfg Co. in this 1911 AD
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bruce
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Username: bruce
Post Number: 249
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 02:29 pm: |
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BLUE BLAZE; was it producer gas(coal gas)or carbide generated acetylene?? |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 674
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 05:18 pm: |
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BELLE ISLE 1907
Does this look to be the same casting as the St. Clair Motor, with changes to the timer and water pump ?? Comments
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robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 139
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 06:05 pm: |
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Does it ever! Same engraving by the look of it, notice the eliptical shape of the port on the cylinder jacket. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 675
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 06:58 pm: |
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Belle Isle ad 1911 another Company Name ?
This ad is in same publication as the Monarch ad above. Two separate Company's selling the same engine or same design of engine ???
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 676
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 07:35 pm: |
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This Belle isle shows up in a 1913 Buyers reference guide, this is a different engine, the waterpump is different and the carb has a two port valve, different type timer, different casting ???
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ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 447
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 08:52 am: |
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I have had a Belle Isle and Gray and Hawley sitting next to each other. Very similar but really nothing in common but the general shape. |
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