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jp gallagher
New member
Username: jdgreenlable
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 07:37 pm: | 
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Hello to all, I am a newbee to this site and I looking to get some information on a Palmer Bros. Engine.
What am I doing?
Well here's the story, I went to a marina auction for a welder and came home with a 31' Richarson Cabin Cruiser II 1941, the late Flow - Fran. It was love at first sight and she probably would of been scraped otherwise. The boat has been sitting in a barn stlye building with a dirt floor for the last 40 some years.
Information off of the Palmer Engine Plate:
Model: IH 264 SM HP:135 RPM:3400
S/N: 3836659
I can assume that there has been an attemp in resoration because I found a packing slip for a RV-30 V-Drive from Walter Machine Co.(NJ) dated 1969.
I am looking to get as much infomation as I can and I will post pictures and updates as I progress throught the restoration.
Thank you to all that participate. |
jp gallagher
New member
Username: jdgreenlable
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 07:45 pm: |
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What are the first things I should check on the engine to see if she's worth it? |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 300
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 06:37 pm: |
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With that serial number the engine was made in 1959. This suggests it would not have had salt water cooling because by that date people didn't often buy exspensive maring engines and salt water cool them. See if it had a heat exchanger and check the water jackets carefully for crack from salt water in case it did not have a heat exchanger for the water jackets in the block and exhaust manifold. Dried our salt water cooled engines are basically junk. You need to talk to hull people to determine its condition. If you have any engine question this page is the place to go. |
jp gallagher
New member
Username: jdgreenlable
Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:36 pm: |
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Thanks Richard,
I found an engine component that was not attached to the block, it is about a foot long cyclinder 4-5 inches in diameter and has outlets on top and bottom with a cap in the center next to a drain tube. I'm not sure of the name of the component but the engine looks untampered wih plugs and wires still in place. I wish to get a diagram of the engine to id components and get familiar with their functions. I didn't see exahust pipes but found a exhaust port and flange. I have read about the value of fresh water cooled exhaust manifolds and I will checking over the engine like a treasure hunt. Is the manual sold on this site
"M-265 IH 240 & 264 Owner's and parts with IH service manual for 264 engine. "
a good resource for my needs? |
Richard A. Day Jr.
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 301
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:24 pm: |
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Sounds like a heat exchanger. Look for a sea water pump and the engine should have a circulating pump built in I think. The heat exchanger typically is a closed system taking jacket cooling water circulating it through the heat exchanger which is comparable to a radiator in a car except sea water goes in around the tubes that contain the engine coolent typically 50:50 anti freeze and fresh water. There is a thermostat in the cooling fresh water loop setting the engine temp at say 165. Hotter makes the boat a lot hotter but its your choice. The sea water is injected into the exhaust line and out the stern tube. Depending on the volume some may be vented over the side as a "tell tail" all depends on your pet scheme. Just make sure the water is injected into the stern tube such that it won't back up into the exhaust manifold. The tell tail can act as a vacuum breaker so when cooling down any water in the exhaust drain cannot be sucked into the engine. Most of the engine parts are IHC and should present no problem as far as that goes. |
Andrew Menkart
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 570
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 09:20 am: |
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JP,
The manual you are refering to:
M-265 IH 240 & 264 Owner's and parts with IH service manual for 264 engine.
is the Owners and Parts manual as published by Palmer, and the engine service manual as published by IH. Palmer never produced a service manual for the engine, but the owners manual is pretty good for the marine related components as well as wiring, cooling, fuel, etc.
The only available manuals will be the palmer manual and the IH manual. |
jp gallagher
Member
Username: jdgreenlable
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 04:59 pm: |
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Thanks Guys,
This site is great! I will be purchasing that manual today. I am looking forward to reading it, communicating with the proper terminology is so much more efficient. I plan on taking some digital images of the engine this weekend, so I'll be posting them here soon. Richard I really appreciate your input and when I design the new exhaust pipes or any other component feel to critize. |
