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jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 90
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:35 pm: | 
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I picked up my new Waterman today, it's an early one, #152. It seems to be complete and original, smaller flywheel than my 2 cylinders, carb has an oiler mounted directly on it. |
Scott Peters
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 09:13 am: |
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Hi J.B.,
I don't know if this applies or not, but add it to your files if the engine is tagged as such:
Waterman Marine Motor Company produced the first commercially successful outboard motors. The company was located at 1506-1512 Fort W. in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan. The company was incorporated on November 5, 1906 with a capital of $40,000. Cameron B. Waterman, the inventor and developer, served as president. Harvey Miller was the vice-president and treasurer and L. K. Butler was the secretary.
The company also built inboard powered canoes.
Waterman [Marine?] Motor Company filed notice of its dissolution on March 29, 1918. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 988
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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J.B's Waterman Photos !
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 989
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:03 am: |
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Scott
Thanks, always good to get your info here , my notes say that waterman sold to Arrow Engine works of Detroit in 1916 and inturn Arrow sold to Pausin Engineering in Newark New Jersey in 1917, the new Company sold under new name of Arrow Motor and Machine Company. I'm guessing that the sale to Arrow involved only the inboards and the eventual closing of Waterman in 1918 was the last of the Porto outboards ?
Not sure when Waterman started mfging the inboards,the model B's had solid flywheels,singles,twins and multi's.
The model K was the lighter high speed eng and had 4 large holed flywheel.
This January 1910 ad is the earliest reference I can find so far as to the model K, it says that the eng was famous by then ? so 1909 and probably earlier by a year or two is its origin ???
That aluminum carburetor on J.B.'s engine is interesting does anyone have any info on it ? |
miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 207
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 05:12 pm: |
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Looks as if it has not been abused - a good find!
The copper jacket engines I am familiar with usually have a Kingston 4 ball carb directly mounted to a pipe threaded into the case. This one has a union, which looks to have been with the engne a long time.
Miro |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 121
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 05:24 pm: |
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I also wanted to thank you for posting the Waterman K1 pictures. I have a couple of K2's with the shebler D and the Waterman porto outboard with the Kingston ball carburetor, I havent until now seen the carburetor. Great find!
It will look great restored. Please repost then
Roger |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 91
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 09:00 pm: |
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Scott, thanks for the info. Richard, thanks for posting the pics. Roger, I'm going to fix the cracked flywheel, clean it up and run it for a while. It's a nice original motor, copper jacket has only a few minor dents, great compression and the bearings seem tight. I may decide to restore it later, any opinions, restore or leave as is? We purchased a collection, included a Victor, looks like an Acadia, make and break, has teardrops in the flywheel instead of hearts. Two Caille 4hp, one together, one in parts. Enough parts to do 3 4hp Nadler-Lockwood Ash engines, and most of a 6hp Ferro in parts. Some of these will have to be built and sold to recoop the purchase expense. The Ferro looks like a nice motor, the external parts of the oiling system are missing as well as the Ferro carb. It has the timer with a gear quadrant on it , nothing to mate with it, water pump and strap were with it.. I'll be looking for pics when this one hits the bench. |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 93
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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Miro, what looks like a union is a hex cast onto the carb, a close nipple attaches it to the motor. The little brass throttle lever is wide open when resting on the carb, raising it throttles it down. The round section above the bowl extends equally into the bowl, air is ducted down over the fuel and back up, only a small hole below the needle to allow fuel into the airway. Seems to be the same principle as the Krice. No name or numbers obvious on the carb. The attached oiler makes it look like it would belong on a 2 cycle. |
poppacraft
New member
Username: poppacraft
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 08:41 pm: |
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Hi I have a very nice original waterman it has a Breeze carb. |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 126
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 09:23 pm: |
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Do anyone have a picture of a breeze carburetor
I do not think I have ever seen one?? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1017
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:36 pm: |
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Breeze Carburetor ad 1907
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poppacraft
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Username: poppacraft
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 12:10 pm: |
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Here I hope are a couple of pictures the carb is marked DETROIT MOTOR CASTING COMPANY B-D carbureter designed by Geo A Breeze. I found thi engine in this condition under a pile of lumber in a old shed about 35 years ago it started my engine collecting |
poppacraft
New member
Username: poppacraft
Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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pictures
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 96
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 06:48 pm: |
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Nice looking engine, unique carb. With the drip oiler it must be an early engine, do you have the serial number? |
poppacraft
Member
Username: poppacraft
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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Hi Serial No. 11181 I am pretty sure everything is original on this motor because I have had it so long very interested in any comments thanks |
jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 97
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 09:24 pm: |
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Most of the drip oilers on the intake were on the way out by 1910 - 1912. When running this engine use the oiler for show, mix oil with gas for lube. This engine has the wider flywheel like my 2 cylinder, I don't know when they changed. My water pump has two inlets with a check valve on each, anyone know the reason for this, is your's the same? |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1020
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 01:56 pm: |
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Waterman photo ads .
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1911
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1914
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solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 127
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 01:58 pm: |
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Richard something happened, I can not view the images
Roger |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1022
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 02:12 pm: |
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Roger
I deleted my first attempt at this posting, go out of the web site and come back on again ? |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 128
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 02:18 pm: |
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I didn't realize they made the larger 2 cylinder 8/10HP engines, I havent seen one yet. The only ones Iv'e seen are the smaller K2. Does anybody have one of the larger engines? |
bruce
Senior Member
Username: bruce
Post Number: 108
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 09:57 pm: |
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The Waterman Speed Canoe is Awsome!! Available with twin three cylinder motors in a hull 3 1/2 Ft beam per Richards ad!!Scott: The Watkins Canoe motor is simular to the Watermans. Watkins built motor canoes also (Cincinatti OH). Have you heard of any relationships there?? |
SteveRinggaard
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 11:42 am: |
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Have Waterman 2hp k1, serial number 1110. Complete and Excellent. Does anyone know what is is worth? |
keith
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Username: keith
Post Number: 323
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 04:45 pm: |
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solarrog, Tom Stranko is restoring a B-2. Below is the one I have.
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Brent Fleming13flebre
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 - 08:24 am: |
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Does anybody know where the power for the spark plug comes from I believe it is a seperate battery with a spark coil is this Correct? I have a all originol K1 # 1156 any info is appreciated |
miro
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Username: miro
Post Number: 575
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 11:21 pm: |
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Brent, the spark comes from a Model T style buzz coil that is connected via the timer to an external battery. It fires the cylinder on the make of the contact points, not the break.
miro |
13flebre
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 - 02:21 pm: |
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Thanks a lot engine was my great grandfathers and I would like to get it running and place it in a old wooden canoe |
brandonP
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 07:54 am: |
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Brent, Check that flywheel carefully before trying to run as I think it is from a Stover agricultural engine. A CT-2 possibly? The original may have been damaged at some point. There is a balance weight in stover flywheels for the farm engine that may throw your engine off. |
13flebre
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2012 - 11:57 am: |
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Anyone know of a parts diagram to aid in taking the engine apart to to make sure the internals are okay |
ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 1490
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 11:44 am: |
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Off the top of my head I would say look in the dippy book. However I doubt that there internal specs for any of these old goodies anywhere
Was that yours with the yellow flywheel at Calvert?
Hope this helps
Ernie |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 556
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 11:00 pm: |
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dismantled my K2 over the weekend and discovered what took it out of service. I need the alloy bevel gear that goes on the timer shaft. My gear does not have a single tooth left on it. Does anyone have one or know someone that can make one?
Roger |
bruce
Senior Member
Username: bruce
Post Number: 407
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 20, 2013 - 11:04 am: |
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Roger, E-mail Bob Price ( the gear man)on this site. |
solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog
Post Number: 557
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 20, 2013 - 12:26 pm: |
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Thanks Bruce I sent him an email. |
squareroot
New member
Username: squareroot
Post Number: 3
Registered: 09-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 06:44 pm: |
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I found bevel gears to help me at http://qtcgears.com/
under Miter Gears.
A little machining on a friend's lathe gave me
what I needed for my Auto Marine engine at a very modest cost. wayne
P.S. I was on 'back order' for a couple of weeks. |
DON CUMMINGS
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2017 - 01:38 am: |
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HI..I HAVE A WATERMAN COPPER JACKET ENGINE MUCH LIKE THE UNIT AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE WITH DRIVE SHAFT & IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY ALSO THE BRAKE, ALL BRASS. I AM WONDERING ABOUT THE VALUE OF THIS UNIT AND CAN SEND PICS SOMETIME IF I HOOK UP WITH SOMEONE. I ALSO HAVE A LITTLE GIANT ENGINE FROM DETROIT.I AM UP ON THE WEST COAST OF CANADA, VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA. |
david_doyle
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Username: david_doyle
Post Number: 106
Registered: 03-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2017 - 03:39 pm: |
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Don,
I am out at UBC and would be interested in the waterman, I will try and send an email
D |
