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Evan Roberts
New member
Username: robbo
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 06:52 pm: | 
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I am just about to start on this very deterrioated engine. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO START apart from this site. I would appreciate ANY advice before I start.
Regards,
Evan |
J.B. Castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 273
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 07:07 pm: |
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You'll have to tell us a little more about it Evan, is it salt damaged, freeze, rust, worn out, or a combination. Pictures would tell a lot. We'll be glad to give any help we can. |
Andrew Menkart
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1297
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 08:42 am: |
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Evan replied by email:
quote:Thanks for the reply.
I am working out how to post photos as they seem too large a file.
The motor was used in salt water however has lay onshore in the bush for about 15 years - big job but I am hopefull of success.
Will forward photos when I solve that issue.
Thanks again.
Evan
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Andrew Menkart
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 08:48 am: |
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Evan,
You can reduce your photos by using one of the "resizing tools" at the following page:
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/resize/resize.html
If you still have trouble you can email them to me and I will post them here.
If you are looking for a general text on running, maintaining, restoring old engines I would suggest the PALMER HANDBOOK as revised and expanded by Dick Day. It is about Palmer engines, but most of the material applies to any old style 2 cycle or 4 cycle marine engine.
Another very good book is Stan Grayson's OLD MARINE ENGINES. It is more historical than hands-on technical, but it does contain a wealth of information. |
Mark Stretch
Senior Member
Username: marks
Post Number: 80
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 05:15 pm: |
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Hi Evan,
I have a couple of these. One restored and the other one very, very sad (cracked inside the cylinder and most of the water jacket gone). I also have a reasonable amount of info on them.
The first thing you probably should do is as suggested by Andrew and J.B. is post the photos.
There were actually two types of 2 1/2 HP Vincos, the orginal 2 1/2 and a later 2 3/4.
They both look the same with some differences between the magneto bracket and some internal dfferences. If the engine still has the makers plate this is the way to start identifying it.
The earlier engines were built in Glebe with the later engines being built in West Ryde. Other "clues" include the recommended oil types and brands.
The serial no is also helpful which you will probably find on the rear edge of the magneto bracket.
Parts are not readily available except items such as plugs and piston rings. However they are a simple engine with white metal bearings and stacked shims or gaskets so they are quite easy to restore.
The big issue of course is salt water corrosion.
Regards
Mark S. |
Evan Roberts
New member
Username: robbo
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 07:39 pm: |
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Gentlemen, The attached photos( via Andrew Menkart) hopefully will describe what I have to work on. The nameplate describes Vincent Bros park Road Glebe. Mix 1 pint of oil to 4 gals of motor spirit. I do not know what motor the magneto is off. The motor is seized and very rusty from I think salt water.i do not have a carbie or magneto. Is the best way to start to strip it to let it soak for a period of time or to have it blasted? If you think I have no chance of retoring it I would accept that advice. Regards,
Evan |
Andrew Menkart
Moderator
Username: andrew
Post Number: 1299
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 05:50 pm: |
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Below are Evan's photos:
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David Stott
New member
Username: david_stott
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 07:33 pm: |
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That magneto is off a four cylinder vintage car. Can you tell what make it is? It looks a litle like a "Marelli" magneto, and if so could be off a Fiat or other Italian car. |
Peter Ogborne
Senior Member
Username: peterogborne
Post Number: 275
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 07:36 pm: |
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Evan ....Have a go but be patient the bits you want will in time turn up . Advertise in TOMMS . If you are not a subscriber do a Google and you will find it.
I have never been able to find a VINCO . |
Peter Ogborne
Senior Member
Username: peterogborne
Post Number: 276
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 07:39 pm: |
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Evan ....Have a go but be patient the bits you want will in time turn up . Advertise in TOMMS . If you are not a subscriber do a Google and you will find it.
I have never been able to find a VINCO . |
John Kemister
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 09:44 pm: |
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Hi Evan. Welcome to the Vinco clan!
It is interesting to see the variations. Early ones had two horizontal muffler mounting bolts, three water pump bolts, three holes in the flywheel, a cast iron piston and a wide magneto base. Next was two vertical muffler bolts, only two water pump bolts, three flywheel holes, an aluminium piston and a narrow magneto base for a WICO maggie. Later ones had no holes in the flywheel web. Yours seems to be yet another variation, just after the first I have listed, with two vertical muffler bolts, three water pump bolts, three flywheel holes and a narrow magneto base. Anyway, it looks like it has been in the weather for a looong time. There does not appear to be any corrosion pressure cracking of the water jacket though? It is worth a try. The siezed piston is major, but with the plug still in place keeping rain out you do have a chance to free it up. Some have tried pressurising with a grease gun adapted through the plug hole, others with a drift down the hole but there are dangers with either of these damaging the piston so great care is needed. A major problem is that all the bolts look badly corroded and will probably shear off when you try to undo them. Firstly, soak the lot in diesel/oil/Breakfree for six months and try then. Don't worry about abrasive blasting yet as this does not assist disassembly much. Take care of the name plate, that is significant undamaged. Lightly tap the bolt heads occasionally and go softly and slowly at first to not break anything! Keep in touch with progress. If things do not work out I would be interested in spares from it, but have a go and feel free to ask along the way.
Cheers
John |
John Kemister
Visitor
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 10:21 pm: |
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More points, Evan.
My engine has a bronze muffler, yours looks like cast iron? Your finger clutch is original. Should a bolt shear it can be carefully drilled out and retapped, but often remaining bits of thread lock the tap with bad results!
If you (or any readers) happen to come across a muffler with horizontal mounting bolts and an oval flange, and a wide base Bosch magneto for my early Vinco I would appreciate hearing about it, as I have an early engine in progress. Also, a long shot as yours is well weathered, but keep an eye out for any original paint traces to match colours.
Again, softly and slowly, working things back and forth a little at a time. If you get it going round and round I should be able to get you a carby and magneto, at least in bits to work on!
Cheers
John |
J.B. Castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 278
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 08:38 am: |
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On an engine like this I would cut or grind the bolt heads off, dissasemble and then you have a shoulder to grab with vise grips. Tap on the exposed stud with a hammer to loosen threads, like driving a nail. Get a good grip with vise grips and shake back and forth, do not try to turn all at once. If stubborn, heat helps. Once apart a piece of pipe over the skirt of the piston can be used to press it inward, heat while in the press will usually do the trick. Once it moves it will be easier to press or pull out. Be carefull not to go above normal piston travel, rings can expand in the dome and lock the piston in place. |
Mark Stretch
Senior Member
Username: marks
Post Number: 81
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 04:48 pm: |
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Evan,
Go for it, I've seen engines that have started off a lot worse than this restored.
I'd try and get it apart first. If you can remove the crankcase bolts and the bottom crankcase half.
As John said soak the thing for a few months. What I did with one of these was made up two timber wedges which I drove between the crankshaft main journals at 90 degrees and the crankcase top.
These were left in whilst soaking and given a tap every now and again.
Good luck
Mark S. |
Evan Roberts
New member
Username: robbo
Post Number: 3
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 07:10 pm: |
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I have been told that a solution of 10 parts mollasis and 1 part water will quickly clean off rust from my very corroded engines. has anyone had experience? Regards, Evan |
Peter Ogborne
Senior Member
Username: peterogborne
Post Number: 105
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 02:52 am: |
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Yes Evan ..the molassis works . Why ? This has been dicussed so many times . Make sure you have thoroughly degreased the parts. It will take two or three weeks to remove the rust . |
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Evan Roberts
Member
Username: robbo
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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David Stott. You asked what type of magneto I had in the photo on Vincos in December. It is a Lucas with no other information. If you can assist I would appreciate a reply. Regards, Evan |
David Stott
Member
Username: david_stott
Post Number: 6
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 08:08 pm: |
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Evan. My magneto knowledge does not run to what car this is off. Being a Lucas it could be off all manner of English cars.
Local Vintage car clubs may be able to help or advertise for you. |
Matthew Peter Fawkner
New member
Username: brick
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2014
| | Posted on Monday, March 10, 2014 - 03:33 am: |
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Anybody out there with VINCO 2.5HP pre-WWII (Bosch maggie) parts?
I'm after a bronze (2 stud vertical)muffler (or equivalent) and a fuel tank.
I would love to find a manual. |
