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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 912
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 09:26 am: | 
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richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 484
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 04:46 pm: |
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It is always great to see a picture of a Palmer that I have never seen before. Looks like an L-3. What year magazine was this engine from. I would like to get a really good copy of that engine. Note the camshaft drive is on the aft end and pump and timer appear to be on the forward end. It has the ca 1908 model R cylinder with M/B igniter. Richard you have made this day for me. Keep up the good work. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 913
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 05:48 pm: |
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Dick
You've made me feel better, I couldn't recognize
what model it was and have been paging through some Palmer info with no luck !
Its from MotorBoat July 10, 1912 pg 90.
The ad is half a page I'll scan it in higher resolution and email to you. |
richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 485
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 08:49 pm: |
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Got it Richard and passed it on to Eric who is resurecting an L-2 he found on a beach up in Alaska. It is interesting that in Dec. 1912 Palmer came out with the NL and NR series. "New L" and "New R". These engines were the engines that made Palmer the dominent maker of workboat engines for the next 20 years. They had enclosed camshafts and gearing. Enclosed reverse gears and other than a few changes that involved the intake manifold styles there were few changes over the production life. The magneto was moved to the forward end of the intake camshaft. In 1913 or 1914 the oil sump for the reverse gear was quickly isolated from the engine crankcase as all the oil ended up in the reverse gear thus starving the oil pump. The also abandoned the M/B feature when they brought out the NR and NL. They would supply an aftermarket make/break igniter that must have bolted into the top of the cylinder over the intake valve chamber. There were a few other changes for the better about 1922 they went to a tapered crankshaft mounting for the flywheel. The water pump had built in check valves after about 1919. Post 1922 they would supply the engines as true right and true left from the factory.
I find all of your photos interesting.
Can you find one on the Valentine? I have a Valentine from 1908 about 1 hsp and missing its intake manifold. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 914
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 11:06 am: |
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Dick
MotorBoat Marine Engine Mfgrs Index in 1913 lists
" T.J.Valentine 138 Vermont Street Buffalo New York. Also have reference to a 1911 ad but no photos in either ! I have wondered if Valentine mfgd their own engs or possibly retagged one of the other Buffalo mfgrs ?
Do you have a photo of the Valentine ? maybe send to me or Ernie or Andrew to post here would like to see it. I'll keep looking ! |
richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday
Post Number: 486
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 05:34 pm: |
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Dick, I don't have a photo. Will have to put it back together as I took it apart to figure out what it needed. I did find a photo in an early Motor boat magazine will have to hunt for it. Tiny photo and I hoped for something better. I almost think it said the company was sucessor to another company. Guess I opened a can of worms and will now have to dig out what I once had. I had hoped you would pop up a photo and all the details from your archive. seems to me the company was in Conn.. Will get back on this one. |
searcher
Senior Member
Username: searcher
Post Number: 468
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 05:31 pm: |
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I came across this Valentine ad today. It says the company had been in business 10 years so that puts them back to 1900. The ad is a very tiny one as Dick mentioned. I tried to enlarge it as much as possible while retaining what little detail there is in a photo so small.
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richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2561
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 10:52 pm: |
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Many of the very early Marine engine mfgrs actually started out mfging bicycles, F.J.Valentine bicycles were popular in the late 1890's They started marine eng mfg about 1900.
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billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 410
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2011 - 10:53 pm: |
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It might have a hollow muffler like this one.
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